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Anyone else in the South East worried about Andy Burnham bringing in a land tax?

621 replies

Beachbooks · 22/06/2026 12:17

With it looking likely that Andy Burnhan will be the next PM, I was interested to see if anyone else in London / the south east were worried about potential tax raises specifically around the land tax rather than stamp duty ?

A lot of my friends who live locally are worrying that he will make the land tax for the South East so high in proportion to other areas of the UK that it will be financially very difficult to afford but then also extremely difficult to sell!!

BTW we have very standard house and garden but we live in an expensive area

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likelysuspect · 25/06/2026 18:19

MrsPapillon · 25/06/2026 08:17

I said “parts of the South”. The South isn’t just within the M25, it’s a big old place!

PS. Just checked Rightmove. There are 547 3-bed houses for sale within the M25 for £500K or less.

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Yes our house is a 3 bed semi, probably worth about 280 if we're lucky, we live in the South east, south of London, OH works in London.

Bikenutz · 25/06/2026 18:27

Has anyone posted a detailed proposal from a credible source?

When I heard this discussed a year or so ago, the thinking was to exempt primary residences.

mumumental · 25/06/2026 18:28

Every time there is a new PM or policy or even a discussion or a rumour, there is this shite. We don’t yet know anything, and no, am not worried.

Sometimessmiling · 25/06/2026 18:33

Beachbooks · 22/06/2026 12:40

@PinkNBlueBunnies that’s a good point re the leasehold / freehold. I imagine funds would be diverted from the wealthier councils to the not so wealthy ones so would you even see the benefit of the additional tax?!

The Leasehold system is archaic, thank goodness we don't have it in Scotland

leopardandspots · 25/06/2026 18:38

I think temporarily relocating Westminster up North (whilst the H of P are restored) would shake things up a bit! They could try a round chamber or something too with less polarised braying across the house.

Simonjt · 25/06/2026 18:39

We have this here I live, its .75% for houses and .50% for flats, both are capped at a certain amount. New builds are exempt I think for about 15 years, vacant properies are charged at 1%.

KatiePricesKnickers · 25/06/2026 19:09

Ideally he’ll scrap stamp duty and introduce something else.
I’d also favour regional or local tax rates, to attract more businesses to the regions.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 25/06/2026 19:13

Bikenutz · 25/06/2026 18:27

Has anyone posted a detailed proposal from a credible source?

When I heard this discussed a year or so ago, the thinking was to exempt primary residences.

It’s on the Fairer Share website
but here’s a summary

The Fairer Share proposal centers on several core policies: 1]
Flat-Rate Tax: A uniform rate of 0.48% on the current value of a property. Not the LV

Abolitions: Completely scraps Council Tax, Stamp Duty, and the Bedroom Tax.

Owner Obligation: The tax is paid exclusively by property owners, removing tenants from the billing loop and saving local councils an estimated £400 million in administration costs.

Second Home Surcharge: Second homes, empty properties, and foreign-owned plots would be taxed at a double rate of 0.96%.

Proportional Property Tax - Fairer Share Campaign

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Bikenutz · 25/06/2026 20:17

Thank you.

So it is just a proposal from a campaign group in Brighton?

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 25/06/2026 20:22

Bikenutz · 25/06/2026 20:17

Thank you.

So it is just a proposal from a campaign group in Brighton?

Burnham has been favouring this proposal for a long time and spoken about them specifically

Its not a random piece of news

inRange · 25/06/2026 21:13

It scares me. I'm 60 and have just taken the decision to retire as the chronic illness I have is making working just too difficult (and I was only working part time). Looking at the calculator on p2 I would be facing an increase of £2290 pa (there doesn't seem to be a single person discount). Even when working I wouldn't be able to afford an increase like that. I was going to get some adaptations done to my house now so they were in place when needed, but will now hold off on that as if this comes in I will have to move (leaving behind my support network).

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 25/06/2026 21:25

inRange · 25/06/2026 21:13

It scares me. I'm 60 and have just taken the decision to retire as the chronic illness I have is making working just too difficult (and I was only working part time). Looking at the calculator on p2 I would be facing an increase of £2290 pa (there doesn't seem to be a single person discount). Even when working I wouldn't be able to afford an increase like that. I was going to get some adaptations done to my house now so they were in place when needed, but will now hold off on that as if this comes in I will have to move (leaving behind my support network).

That’s quite the hike

It has been noted that if it’s introduced no one will initially get an increase in excess of £1200/yr
Nothing on how long that will last but I suppose it gives people a chance to plan.

nearlylovemyusername · 25/06/2026 21:43

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 25/06/2026 19:13

It’s on the Fairer Share website
but here’s a summary

The Fairer Share proposal centers on several core policies: 1]
Flat-Rate Tax: A uniform rate of 0.48% on the current value of a property. Not the LV

Abolitions: Completely scraps Council Tax, Stamp Duty, and the Bedroom Tax.

Owner Obligation: The tax is paid exclusively by property owners, removing tenants from the billing loop and saving local councils an estimated £400 million in administration costs.

Second Home Surcharge: Second homes, empty properties, and foreign-owned plots would be taxed at a double rate of 0.96%.

so not LVT after all and just another tax grab to hit London and redistribute.

Well, as expected.

ETA: clicked the link, here we go

If you live outside London…

  • Your community will benefit from an overall £6.5 billion reduction in property taxes, representing a huge boost to local economies.
BrownTroutBluesAgain · 25/06/2026 21:51

nearlylovemyusername · 25/06/2026 21:43

so not LVT after all and just another tax grab to hit London and redistribute.

Well, as expected.

ETA: clicked the link, here we go

If you live outside London…

  • Your community will benefit from an overall £6.5 billion reduction in property taxes, representing a huge boost to local economies.
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I think people have heard the word Land and assumed
Land just means the Land in all cases
and whilst that’s been talked about
it’s not this policy
Thats for actual Land hoarders

LVT as % of just the land to replace council tax doesnt even come close to paying the current level of council tax payments and wouldnt cover the current care needs

Various think tanks have noted the Fairer proposal would be in excess of the current care costs. ie
a tax on market value of property
including any upgrades since a property was last sold

NorthXNorthWest · 25/06/2026 22:26

MargoLivebetter · 25/06/2026 10:04

Not sure why we are focusing on Angela Rayner? What have her living arrangements got to do with LVT?

How can policymakers expect people to accpet a policy when they appear to live by a different set of rules themselves? If they genuinely believe this is the right way to live, why don't their own choices reflect that belief?

MayFlyBee · 25/06/2026 22:56

I’m fairly pro Burnham (compared to starmer anyway) but I do think this is unfair on people in the South East. My partner and me are Bands 2 and 6 in the NHS and finally bought a two bed flat in our 40s. It costs the same amount as a four bed detached house in many parts of the country. People with our exact jobs in areas with cheaper property can buy earlier in life, haven’t spent decades paying extortionate rents, and get somewhere nicer to live! It doesn’t really make things fairer for us to pay more tax out of our still fairly low disposable income, as people with the same jobs and nicer houses who live elsewhere.

Housebashing · 25/06/2026 23:22

inRange · 25/06/2026 21:13

It scares me. I'm 60 and have just taken the decision to retire as the chronic illness I have is making working just too difficult (and I was only working part time). Looking at the calculator on p2 I would be facing an increase of £2290 pa (there doesn't seem to be a single person discount). Even when working I wouldn't be able to afford an increase like that. I was going to get some adaptations done to my house now so they were in place when needed, but will now hold off on that as if this comes in I will have to move (leaving behind my support network).

Your support network wont be far behind you if they truly are supportive

nearlylovemyusername · 25/06/2026 23:27

I really think that introduction of such changes requires GE.
This wasn't in Labour's manifesto, Andy is unelected, even by his own party, I don't think they have mandate at all

NorthXNorthWest · 25/06/2026 23:34

GasPanic · 25/06/2026 12:41

It may be doing something for you, but it isn't doing anything for the greater economy. No one can buy kitchens, cars, raise kids or have holidays when all their income is being pumped into ever increasing mortgage costs.

High prices have also forced many people to bet the farm on a single asset to fund their retirement - house price increases. This isn't good for two reasons. Firstly if prices tank then all your money is locked in one asset (through no choice of your own) and it becomes more difficult to time the market as houses are generally illiquid and people have considerable inertia to movement, whereas if all that money hadn't been spent on mortgages it could be invested in diversified assets instead.

Secondly it harms the ability of the people who pay the pensions and provide the care (younger cohort) to live, raise kids, and provide their labour for care at low cost. If house prices go up all the time, care costs have to go up to enable carers to live unless they are expected to live in tents.

Many of the older people who have held houses for a long time have seen significant house price inflation and have significant pension benefits, so I don't think it is harsh to negate a portion of that to bring prices back down to make them more affordable in order to make housing costs in general more equitable.

The cycle of HPI needs to be broken and the market rebalanced for the general good of everyone. If the cycle is broken some people, probably older cohorts, will suffer more significant asset loss/taxation. But in general they have the broadest shoulders on which to bear it.

Just for the hard of thinking, "older cohorts" and "in general" means people who have benefited significantly from HPI and have large assets/pensions. It doesn't mean older cohorts surviving at subsistence level on state pensions in rented/basic level accommodation.

Re this : " That isn't creating wealth and stability it's bringing tomorrow's money forward to pay for today's spending."

That wealth never existed in the first place. See the South Sea Bubble and Tulip mania. There's a difference between money and wealth. We don't all get more wealthy sitting around while house prices increase, even if we might think we do.

IMO, the "hard of thinking" comment shows where we fundamentally disagree. You seem to measure value mainly by economic output, whereas I think economic value is important, but homes create value in ways that GDP doesn't fully capture. If I'd spent my take-home pay on leased cars, luxury holidays and endless consumption, I'd probably have little to show for it today. I'm more "make do and mend" than disposable. YMMV. Instead, I chose to pay down the debt on my home. That gave me security and independence, hopefully helps me fund my own care later in life, and the money I spent still supported builders, tradespeople, surveyors, solicitors, estate agents, gardeners and many others. That's a perfectly legitimate choice that millions of ordinary people have made.

Economic output matters, but so do stable communities. Home ownership doesn't just create wealth - it creates roots, responsibility and long-term investment in neighbourhoods. Those things matter, even if they don't show up in GDP. That's why I think calling owner-occupied homes "idle capital" is a bit of a straw man. House prices aren't high simply because people live in their homes. They're high because we haven't built enough of them, alongside planning constraints and other policy failures. If we really want affordable housing, we should fix the supply problem, not tax people out of homes they've spent decades paying for.

I think our bigger disagreement is about the role of the state. Redistribution has a place, and so does government, but it shouldn't become a tool for continually redefining what people are allowed to keep after they've earned it legitimately. Governments should remove barriers to opportunity, not create uncertainty over whether yesterday's legitimate success becomes tomorrow's double or triple tax target. I think we should all be cautious about giving any government broad powers to tax people based on, retrospectively move goal posts and manufactured criteria while also deciding what constitutes an "acceptable" standard of living, especially when the underlying causes of the problem are left largely untouched. For me, good policy is about making reasonable trade-offs, not looking for a group to throw under the bus.

concertinacornflake · 26/06/2026 03:39

nearlylovemyusername · 25/06/2026 23:27

I really think that introduction of such changes requires GE.
This wasn't in Labour's manifesto, Andy is unelected, even by his own party, I don't think they have mandate at all

Burnham is not unelected, he was just elected in a by election. He is no less elected than Callaghan or Sunak.

nearlylovemyusername · 26/06/2026 08:10

concertinacornflake · 26/06/2026 03:39

Burnham is not unelected, he was just elected in a by election. He is no less elected than Callaghan or Sunak.

He's elected by a tiny group of people in local area who doesn't represent the country.

MargoLivebetter · 26/06/2026 08:27

@nearlylovemyusername but you could say the same for any MP. They are all elected by their local representatives. The parties gets to pick their leader themselves.

nearlylovemyusername · 26/06/2026 08:31

MargoLivebetter · 26/06/2026 08:27

@nearlylovemyusername but you could say the same for any MP. They are all elected by their local representatives. The parties gets to pick their leader themselves.

I know that our system enables this. I think this is wrong.

5128gap · 26/06/2026 08:48

nearlylovemyusername · 26/06/2026 08:31

I know that our system enables this. I think this is wrong.

If by stepping down KS would have triggered a GE, he would have just stayed put.
Changing this rule that been in place forever, wouldn't make it easier to oust governments you didn't like, it would just mean you were stuck with a PM you probably also disliked as well.
There's no win here for people who don't like the Labour government. It was only ever Starmer or Burnham. If the rules were different it would have been Starmer.

suburburban · 26/06/2026 08:50

Wouldn’t this legislation have to go through the House of Lords.

if we don’t agree with it we should be writing to our MPs, I know I will