Childbirth: "a disgusting moment"

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Cannot see this anywhere else.

Footballer Jeremy Doku plans to leave his Belgium team mates to be at the birth of his first child.

From BBC website:
However, Doku's plan to leave the USA and return home has brought fierce criticism from L'Equipe channel presenter France Pierron, who labelled a father "completely useless" at the time of their child's birth.
"The World Cup is an incredible joy," she said in a message posted to the Facebook page of French sports publication L'Equipe.
"There are hundreds of footballers who would kill to be in your shoes. It might never happen again in your life.
"You're living out a childhood dream, yet you're going to walk away from it all to attend the birth of your child - a disgusting moment, if you'll pardon the expression, where the dad is completely useless."

Out of Order, he is obviously a "new man". Good for him. How would the o/p understand she is clearly
Unemotional.

Oh FFS what a cunt, the birth of his first child is also once in a fucking lifetime.

If he was adamant he wanted to be at the birth he shouldn't have gone in the first place. Surely that was a conversation he should have had with his wife, and as soon as it was decided he was going to be at the birth he should have stepped down from going and at least given someone else the opportunity of a lifetime.

Good on Jeremy! Imagine if he hadn't attended!

If he wants to be at the birth, and if his wife wants him there, it's nobody else's business to say otherwise. He can prioritise whatever he likes.

Nope. She said "deguelasse" which is definitely "disgusting". I gather she's been suspended!

I listen to talksport, the male commentators were discussing the comments this morning and said it was disgusting.

Belgium might not even been in the world cup when the baby is due but if they are then he can fly back. It should be his choice, it's none else's business. The irony is he's ill at the moment anyway do he's not available to play.

Of course they might, as might any child. Does he stay at the world cup because it's inevitable his family will break up whatever he does? Maybe he is trying to buck that 70 perc trend by prioritising his family. The reason the rate is so high for professional athletes might well be because of how they prioritise their relationships lower than their work. At least he's started on the right foot, so to speak.

Jesus. Everyone has opinions but when it comes to significant life events like a big moment in your career and the birth of your child the only opinion that matters is the person in those moments . If, God forbid they had to choose between the career moment and the birth moment the choice they make (which Noone has the right to judge ) will tell you something about them as a person. I think good choice if birth moment chosen. By thats just my opinion, if they choose the career moment I wouldnt feel like I had the right to start making shitty comments about that just because it wouldnt have been my choice. Some people really need to get a reality check against their own importance in other people's lives, respect other people's choices and stop gobbing off about decisions that are nothing to do with them.

He got picked because he is the best available at his job. It's not a garden fête draw where you give up your prize if you can't go on the centre Parks trip. If your CEO left a conference to be with their partner when she gave birth would you say the same thing. It's his job and the fact millions would love to be there but weren't good enough is not relevant. Millions might want to play Glastonbury, but they're not good enough. That's life.

Undecided about this one. First if all . Why did Doku agree to go to the World Cup in the first place. If he knew his wife could be giving birth around this time.?

Maybe the baby has decided to arrive early. Or there could be medical reasons.

That is their business entirely, not ours.
All I can say is that l doubt if Doku would not have tried to do this at Man City before an important match . Pep Guardiola would ha BBC e had plenty to say.

Don't be surprised to see Doku back after a few week
If France make the quarter, semi or World Cup finals

What if he just wants to be there for his child's first moments? All 4 of mine been home births and I've laboured totally on my own in the bathroom just letting the midwife in to literally catch the baby. Husband however has been amazing at looking after the other kids whilst this happened and if I'd needed anyone for moral support 100% it would have been him.
All that aside it didn't matter if I needed him or not. He wants to be right there for his child's first minutes in the world and that's his right.
Football is not life or death. This man can do what he likes!

My husband was worse than useless at the birth of our second child, taking photos and making video recordings I didn’t consent to.

However, if Doku wants to be present and support his partner, this should be respected.

Completely agree with the guy wanting to see his baby into the world. There will be other games of football (despite what Bill Shankly said!)

What did we have to judge reasonable/unreasonable? That childbirth is a disgusting moment? I went for unreasonable,

Well, yes of course childbirth is disgusting. The seat of pleasure is hijacked for a completely unnecessary animalistic purpose. The woman screams with pain and doesn’t even seem to be enjoying it. Sometimes she might even pass a stool, and what could be more disgusting? She should be ashamed of herself.

And then this new weird creature emerges from the intimate flesh you used to love, and that seemed to love you - this pathetic unformed thing that demands all her attention, despite being totally helpless and useless. All it seems to do is suck the tit and shit. And cry. WTAF? The woman loses her mind and ignores you and your urgent needs.
Of course the World Cup is more important.
/snark

Well yeah. He has had respiratory concerns for a while, on and off and didn't play against Iran.

In the meantime France Pierron didn't present, "L'équipe de choc" today. Some say that she has been suspended by the channel. I think that she'll return though, quite soon. She has a track record of causing a bit of a, "polémique."

It was a quiet and friendly programme today. Just sport stars having a chat. The ratings will nose dive. So much of French television is people sitting behind big desks and shouting at each other.

In an intellectual and stimulating fashion of course. These combatative panel shows are the backbone of the schedules at certain times of day.

My husband isn’t the best when I’m ill and that’s putting it lightly but I can’t praise him enough for how he handled both my labours. He was a great help and they were important and amazing days. I didn’t want anyone else there or to see me in that position so if he wasn’t there I would have been really upset and felt abandoned.

The World Cup happens every four years so it’s hardly a once in a lifetime event. A child being born happens once and there is no chance of seeing it again.

Let us see the actual moment when she said it. To give us some context

https://youtube.com/shorts/NhKBwKDMQzU?is=IdgLnrfz9fg2AHE9

It only goes on for about a minute and a half. Even if you don't understand French that is the best viseo I can find right now to see what was going on at the time of speaking.

If that's true, you're surely
a boomer yourself. I was born in 1956 and my husband in 1948 so both firmly in the boomer bracket. Our first child was born in 84. Fathers being present at births was such a normal and established thing that it would have been considered very odd (wrong, even) if he hadn't been present, as it would have been when my sister had her first child in 1976.
I'd love to know when you were born and where the hospital was.

Good on him!

As they say in American football, next man up please.

My husband fainted dead away. Twice. Useless sums it up. I would have loved an engaged and caring partner.

Imagine knowing your Dad chose being there at your birth over playing in the World Cup. That’s how loved every single child should feel. Good on him.

I appreciate it's his job but this wasn't a standard Saturday match. It's a commitment and he's playing for his country. There are, without doubt, other players who could have taken his place and the fact that it's a team shifts the dynamics - they pick people who work well together so now it's got to be rethought out. If you're in a team at the biggest tournament in the world you're either in, or out. Unless the birth was early and totally unexpected in which case he didn't really have a choice.

My husband's calming presence helped me so much. He didn't fuss or flap, just held my head (which I was probably crushing at the end ha)!
He said later he felt a bit useless... because he couldn't take my pain away.... but I told him, just him being there, holding my hand and being calm was HUGELY comforting

I think fathers should always be at the birth if they can. However if an opportunity like that arose I think I'd tell dh its OK if he didn't. I would feel guilty that he would have to give up so much for that one moment. I'd much rather he be present and supportive in the weeks and months that follow. Nasty commentary though.