AIBU to think a man accused of throwing a child into a crocodile enclosure should not get bail?

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Aibu to think the man who threw an unknown 3 year old into a crocodile enclosure shouldn't be out on bail?

If anyone could provide any insight into the reasoning behind why was granted bail I would be very interested to hear it.

AIBU: He's a danger to society
AINBU: Innocent until proven guilty

The previous poster has said that there is no point in people who don't understand certain things being there because it is of no benefit to them. So no point in most under 3s going.

You’re missing the context though. Why put others at risk by allowing someone like that to go to a zoo when they probably don’t have the cognitive ability to enjoy it. Toddlers don’t pose a risk in the same way.

He might have learning difficulties but if he'd touched my 3 year old grandson, I still want him stringing up!!! And especially his carers!!

But it is selective behaviour. In that they do not even attempt to assault the extremely tall large males (they are assigned large islander men). So, you are saying it’s just ‘harder to assault them’. But that is incorrect, they are not even attempting to assault them - at all. Yet, they will assault women and smaller built men, so it definitely is selective behaviour.

ETA - this brings impulse control not question. And their parents would agree with me 100%. By the way, they have assaulted and put their mother into hospital on numerous occasions before being put into residential care. Never assaulted his father though.

Also ETA he is taken into the community in various settings 4 x / week, otherwise it would ‘infringe his rights’ as a human. His parents are just on tenterhooks waiting for the day he is on the news for something like this.

I disagree that a 1 or 2 year old gets as much enjoyment from singing wheels on the bus or playing with a new toy as a fun family day out. Maybe initially, but not if that’s all they got to do 24/7. If someone said they kept their child (1 or 2 years old) at home and they never took them outside the boundaries of their home and garden, most people would be horrified and that child would get bored very quickly.

Yes this case is incredibly sad, yes it’s tragic circumstances. However we don’t know all the facts. Also unfortunately there other cases of children thrown into animal enclosures at zoos, often by their Mothers and Fathers, but sometimes strangers too. Do we ban parents, women and men from zoos too, on the extremely rare off chance one of them may attack a child?

Ill comment my own severley autistic non verbal 16 year has been known to lash out at both males and females he has no concept of the differnce between a five ft slender feemale and a 6ft7 17 stone msle.

I think the police could at least reassure the local community that the suspect is in a very secure facility - if that is indeed the case.

He sounds physically strong and reasonably mobile to do what he (allegedly) did, so needs to be under lock and key.

Most toddlers have the ability to learn. We take them to new places so they can learn how to behave and about the world around them. Its how they build new skills. An adult with the mental age of a 2 year old is not the same.

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I said on another thread on this subject that carers should be able to restrain their charge if out and about. I see carers near me and they are big men, manacled to a man on each side.

Otoh some while ago I was in the local town and queuing in a shop. The man in front was staring hard at dd in the pushchair, so I turned the pushchair towards me. The man then punched me really hard on the arm. The carer with him - a young woman - said “Please don’t report this or he won’t be able to come out.” I was quite shaken but just glad he hadn’t hit dd. I wouldn’t have known who to report it to - I didn’t know where they had come from - but thinking about it afterwards I wish I had done.

"The Guardian isn't paywalled"

Well yes it is if you don't want to sell your soul to advertising monkeys but you do you.

Hes attacked a child regardless of his cognitive abilty
Common sense should tell people hes not going to be allowed to roam freely..

I'm not altogether comfortable with low-level staff being held culpable for something that, to me, smacks of organisational failings.

I'd want to know if the man's risk assessment was comprehensive, eg included potential risks both within the establishment and in public places, any known triggers etc.

Very poor judgment by the care agency to place someone with such a complex mental disability in a zoo with with carers ! I very much doubt the non verbal man was able to suggest the visit. My son is severely disabled and would get absolutely nothing whatsoever from a zoo visit. I am sure this man is much the same and would be far happier in a quieter more secluded setting with more appropriate activities like swimming or trampolining. I don't want people like my son 'shut away' but equally we do have to accept his idea of a life is very different to ours. The carers chose to look at their phones, the man did not choose to be bundled up and taken to a strange place.

Common sense tells most of us he shouldn't have been in a position to do it in the first place but here we are.

This is the point that I too have been trying to make. It’s not necessary to lock every person with severe a LD up, but outings need to be suitable - for the individual and for the wider public who might be affected by their impulsivity and dysregulation. There is no need at all to go to a crocodile house and probably very little benefit.

Well, he did get bail because people that know more about him and what happened than anyone on here decided that was the appropriate course of action.

Agree with this.
As he managed to to this, he's evidently not safe to be out in society.
He needs appropriate care within an appropriate setting.

Well i agree it does seem a strange place yo tske someone with very unpredictable behsviour without knowing the detsils we are all just guessing..

"Do we ban parents, women and men from zoos too, on the extremely rare off chance one of them may attack a child?"

No, of course we don't. 🙄What a bizarre level of "whataboutery" .

I'm far from convinced that someone with a significant learning disability is able to formulate and act on such an intention, tbh.

Thus wasnt a random heart attack that would be an accident. Thus is a man who can't control it understand homicidal urges and he should be taken and kept off the streets.

You're very well informed considering there has been no official information about him. Are you closely connected to the case?

It's hard to say - i agree those with profound intellectual disability tend not to form plans and carry them through as this needs co ordinated reasoning - but there can be cases of impulsive action that have terrible consequences . We need to know more details .