AIBU to challenge the school’s wording about pupils rolling skirts up?

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Weekly newsletter today from DC’s secondary school contained a paragraph on uniform including the fact that there have been complaints from the public about “pupils who choose to wear skirts” rolling them up to wear them extremely short. It finishes with asking parents to speak to their children about why this is “not a good idea”.

Now, apart from the fact I assume that they must mean girls, is this not clearly implying that short skirts = making themselves vulnerable and if is, then if anything bad happens as a result it is their own fault? I thought we had moved beyond this kind of nonsense.

I only have boys at the school not girls but want to write to the head to point out how utterly sexist this is. DH agrees with me pov but thinks I shouldn’t write. AIBU?

Yes, female mammals 'present' their sexual parts to the male.

They are being "mocked" because they are dressing in a ludicrous and inappropriate way.

They are showing off to everyone by showing their underwear? I don't think 🩲 is anything to show off about? If boys/men were walking around naked or showing off their willy size we'd quite rightly feel perturbed. Then again, guess we should just not look and control whatever feelings we have?

Again the language is entirely accurate. Arse cheeks are out and girls and behaving like primates (showing their bums for all the world to see).

No one here is talking about young girls. We are talking about older girls or, if you prefer, young women.

I think you're reading too far into it. 'Not a good idea' can certainly apply elsewhere. A uniform isn't an opportunity to personally express yourself – it's a symbol of the institution to which it belongs.

Intentionally wearing a uniform incorrectly is disrespectful, unprofessional, creates a distraction for the person wearing it, misrepresents the school, and discourages responsibility and expectations.

I'm sure you can find something that 'isn't a good idea' in all that.

We're talking about secondary school children. So, young girls.

Anyway. Young girls/teens/young women whatever. None are like primates waving their 'sweaty arse cheeks' about to 'communicate something'

I’m right in reading that your own daughters never did this @Gloriia and adhered strictly with uniform code ?

Their arse cheeks are out.... And if it's a fashion statement or a bit of rebellion they are trying say something. Even if it's a "look at me I'm so cool"

Oh, Gloriia! You must have been a trial for your own teachers...now you know that's not what I said. Dearie me.

I'm not mocking young women...I'm trying to point out the absurdity of what a small minority of teenage girls do. I assume it's a very small minority?? I've seen 4 examples at close range (eeeuuww) and wish I hadn't, but don't know how widespread the issue is.

Pointing out absurd behaviour is allowed. It doesn't equate to mocking all young women, as you innaccurately put it.

Yes - have you not been watching your David Attenborough?

Come on, now - please keep up!

The more Gloriia posts, the more I wonder if she is also under a misapprehension about what's being discussed here. Some pps are under the impression that what is being criticised by others is the rolling up of skirts to be a bit shorter than regulation.

No - that's not what I'm on about. I just wonder if Gloriia realises this because the two things are of a different order. Nearly all teenage girls might hitch up their skirts a bit and if they have opaque tights on, it's usually a non-issue.

But I cannot believe anyone, least of all a parent, would condone the extremely revealing kind of skirt and no-tights (and sometimes very little knicker...) which is under discussion.

Don't we also not like and judge young boys or men who walk down with hands down their pants?

It’s not a nice sight either, but at least their genitals aren’t on show!

They might have whilst at school but I doubt it. They all wore tights at our schools anyway so 'sweaty cheeks' and these traumatising gussets would never have been visible. I wouldn't ever judge girls as nastily as has been evident on this thread though whatever the uniform was.

My point is teachers should teach. Full stop. I have no interest in their opinions on school attire or men's 'uncomfortable feelings'.

The right colour and emblem should suffice.

PP on here might thing we should just ignore they are doing whatever they want with their bodies right?

I certainly wasn't a 'trial for my own teachers' thanks. Ae you suggesting I'm thick now that I'm the only one to challenge your weird monkey likening?

Likening girls behaviour to that of moneys is neither nice, appropriate or relevant. Did I see you were an ex teacher?

My point is teachers should teach. Full stop.

And I'm sure they'd love their responsibilities to stop there too.

Do you not realise the huge responsibility for safeguarding which teachers have nowadays?

If you think all these extra worries should be taken off their workload, please lobby the Education Secretary - I'm sure teachers would be delighted!

Humans are primates - Great Apes, in fact, along with gorillas, chimps and orangs.

Of course we share many behaviours with our primate relations. The human smile, for example, is related to the chimp's drawing back of its teeth to warn others off. It's really interesting, primate behaviour.

Why do you object to the comparison? It's nature/science.

But you weren’t even happy with most of your kids teacher’s teaching but you’re more exercised on this thread than you were in RL by that situation by the sounds of it

and so your never ever saw your daughter leave your home not conforming to the uniform code. Ok, right so that’s where you’re coming from

Safeguarding fine, obviously <backtracking from your monkey comparison and pretending to understand safeguarding?> mocking and judging young girls as we've seen alleged ex teachers do here, not so fine.

I shouldn't have to 'lobby' anyone just stop sending out tedious emails about lunch boxes, socks, trousers and skirts and teach our kids.

Sorry, what?

But you never ever contacted your kids schools about any of these issues despite being pissed off about them (on mumsnet at least)

You say you want teachers to teach.

However you also say that you think most of your kid’s teachers failed in that respect.

but you did the square root of nothing.

and you are fighting on behalf of girls that weren’t anything like your own (in fact you claim to have never ever seen what we describe)… who toddled off to school every day conforming precisely to uniform code