Welfarisation has made people utterly entitled and unable to take responsibility for themselves and their families.

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I grew up in a working class family. The values I was taught were that you stood on your own two feet and it was no one else's job to do what you could do for yourself.

If you were hurt, you were expected to get up and go and clean yourself up - and stop whining about it unless it was actually serious. If you were ill, you went to bed and if you were lucky some magic lucozade appeared.

If you were sad, then you were sad. If life was unfair then that was just how life was and you needed to deal with it.

You never ever sought charity or took benefits when you were able to work or put up with less. You lived to your own means, not to what you saw on TV or at school - and if you wanted that lifestyle it was up to you to get it.

Today everyone has the expectation that someone must help them, that they are obliged to help them - even before they have made any attempt to actually do the work of helping themselves. They expect luxuries like holidays, pets, new clothes and treats when they do nothing to earn this.

I think self sufficiency is a value that needs to return to our society.

Made me giggle too.

Mine is nothing at all like your friends, it's a well maintained house with no issues but luxury accommodation? I wouldn't go that far 😂

I hope your friend can get sorted soon.

"I'm posting here to show that there are genuine cases where people need help."

I sympathise with your situation enormously but this wording implies that most people on disability benefits aren't genuine cases. I know or know of dozens of disabled people with very genuine work and life limiting conditions and only one person who I have any doubts about whatsoever. Disability is very common. Why do people doubt that most people who claim these benefits do so because, like your family might do, they genuinely need them?

Also: “welfarisation” is an obvious Americanism. Genuinely British people (unlike MAGA plants who are pretending to be British) more normally use the term, “benefits culture”.

Bet you can’t make a proper cuppa either, OP.

The only people ‘crying about having a converted car’ as far as I can see, are those who begrudge disabled people the opportunity to lease a motability car. If there wasn’t the constant criticism of the scheme by those who actually know little to nothing about it, then maybe disabled people wouldn’t have to keep defending themselves.

Agree. The problem - at least on MN - is that if you’re disabled and claim PIP you can’t win. If you don’t work you’re a scrounger and if you do ‘why are you claiming PIP then ?’ !!

Schrodinger's disabilty.

The problem is that there are two tiers of benefits. The contribution based ones are not means tested, so you can spend your inheritance any way you want and it doesn’t affected entitlement. The means tested ones - often supporting people on the bones of their arse - take everything into account. There’s an imbalance.

Oh I wish I’d said that 🤣

Would be a great username 😉

Indeed !! That’s how I got my username - after a very heated exchange, a poster asked me if I thought I was the thread guard dog. So now I am !!

Maybe people who get these things should goad for comments and then moan when they are challenged!

Oh good what a name that would be

Sorry meant to quote this

That doesn’t make any sense !!

Nope. She seems to take umbrage with someone being a high rate tax payer and on PIP.... like the two can not exist at the same time. Even said to the person that there were news reports about people like them (I have not seen any).

I think there is probably a negative missing and it was intended to say "shouldn't goad..."

No, because you’ve just jumped onto a post that you were not involved in so you don’t know the original comment that is being spoken about … this was days ago.

Not about that particular person of course … about people like them, claiming pip and being in the higher bracket … the bill for these people is sky high.
The poster did not mention her disability … she wrote that she claims pip abs is in the higher bracket tax bracket “what have you got to say about that?” So clearly inviting comment.
It’s not hard to grasp!

The fact I get pip means im disabled. It’s not hard to grasp.

She said NEW reports about me. That’s a threat to dox me in anyone’s language.

she didn’t say news. I quoted it.

The imbalance is there for a reason though. Take Denmark where if you’re made redundant you get 80% of your previous salary from the state in benefits for a set period of time. What you get reflects what you put in. It’s known as incentivising work and is wildly successful. Contributory benefits are our (fairly crap) British version of that. What the recipient receives in some way reflects what they’ve put in. It incentivises work.

It makes sense that those that haven’t paid in get worse rules than those that have. In every other country but the UK apparently.

How would I know who you even are … this is an anonymous forum 🙄

As I have already explained I have autism.

im not going to confirm anything about my profession when you threatened to dox me.

Considering you’re trying to get me to reveal personal information, I don’t believe you.