Welfarisation has made people utterly entitled and unable to take responsibility for themselves and their families.

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I grew up in a working class family. The values I was taught were that you stood on your own two feet and it was no one else's job to do what you could do for yourself.

If you were hurt, you were expected to get up and go and clean yourself up - and stop whining about it unless it was actually serious. If you were ill, you went to bed and if you were lucky some magic lucozade appeared.

If you were sad, then you were sad. If life was unfair then that was just how life was and you needed to deal with it.

You never ever sought charity or took benefits when you were able to work or put up with less. You lived to your own means, not to what you saw on TV or at school - and if you wanted that lifestyle it was up to you to get it.

Today everyone has the expectation that someone must help them, that they are obliged to help them - even before they have made any attempt to actually do the work of helping themselves. They expect luxuries like holidays, pets, new clothes and treats when they do nothing to earn this.

I think self sufficiency is a value that needs to return to our society.

And now the age is 67, and will no doubt soon be raised again. So maybe count your blessings, and stop whinging.

They were pushed up by a number of factors affecting supply and demand, but back in the very early 2000s when they quadrupled in less than 3 years, the main driver was buy to letters buying up 2,3,4 or more houses and forcing youngsters to become their tenants instead of owners in their own right. Mass immigration had barely started at that time.

Actually, I think it's reasonable to point out on a thread about a rising sense of entitlement that the waspi women are pretty much the purest example of a selfish, blinkered sense of entitlement, so it's clearly not just a problem amongst younger people.

Goodness, what a bleak, soulless upbringing.

Well it's women who suffer from these bad choices.

I don't totally blame in all cases (some, yes) but we could educate women to avoid feckless male idiots.

Agree with many factors including low interest rates and easy credit in the 2000s. Successive government failures mean it is still a problem.

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There are a small minority of people who are CF and have a sense of entitlement. They're obnoxious and annoying.

Then there is everyone else who just seem to try to get by.

I'm not seeing this general societal problem, but then to be fair I live in a fairly affluent part of london.

Well, yes. But you can't predict who those feckless idiots will be.
I have a friend who married her partner... it was all amazing... the second she became pregnant, he turned controlling and abusive.

Women suffer, but on here are getting blamed for not choosing better.

Nobody Need feed this trolls just fyi

Me too. So have at it. Yet another unashamed benefit bashing thread from someone who likely has no idea what a life on benefits actually means and assumes it’s a ‘choice’. Grow up. It’s been done to death.

A 'friend' of mine on universal credit and in their own words works 30 hours per week rather than full time 'because I can't be assed doing any more than that'
Ah ok, cool, not.

That you did everything you could to avoid the shame of asking for help - it was seen as personal failure.

This was not a good thing.....asking for help is not a weakness 🤦‍♀️

UC is not based on hours.
Try harder.

I think the opposite that many of the population have very little understanding of how little most people are entitled to in the way of benefits and that means they aren’t as prepared as they could be for hard times.

When I see you post on threads like this, I feel relieved. You know what you are on about... but they still don't listen. Daily Mail is better "evidence" than someone that has worked in disability outreach for several decades.

And the majority doesnt...so you never read that bit?

Yep, they then post on here in a rage because they can't claim a penny because they have tens of £k in savings and did the "right thing" by saving... but have no clue how the benefit system works.

OP is saying that you should be ashamed to be on benefits. They just used a lot of waffle to get to that point.

Thank you. I try my best to provide evidence based views on here, but it mostly goes unheard. Don’t know why I bother to be honest but it’s nice to know someone appreciates the effort.x

Yes its true that there was also a stigma against a married woman working in the 1950s/60s. It was not until I was 13 that my father "allowed" my mother to take a part time job in Jacobs Pools (that was how people bet on football before the lottery). Men took pride in being the sole breadwinner and providing for their family. As soon as I began work at 16 my mother was made to leave work. My wages were expected to make up the deficit.

I wasn’t suggesting UC is based on hours, I was criticising the ‘can’t be assed’ attitude, which still stands.

"shame of asking for help" 🙈 dinosaur psychology that needs to be stamped out! My career focuses on telling ppl you're not alone and there's support here - I am paid and also volunteer to be the help they reach out for in tough times! Life is better when you don't always have to go it alone 🤗
Also - benefits bashing is not a legit hobby, why not try flower arranging or tai chi 😆

Reform government will cut benefits, any government now needs to cut benefits and spend on defence, and Burnham is good for a bond market crisis if he becomes PM, one way or another reality is heading back to the UK!

And pray tell how would women identify them, given that everyone is on their best behaviour and abusive tendencies don’t surface until later in the relationship. So much misogyny. Easier to blame women for bad choices than to hold men to account.