To think if Keir Starmer is ousted there should be a general election

[Viviennemary]

I think the set-up should be changed and if the PM is voted out by his party then there needs to be a general election. I didn't vote for very left wing policies which will happen if Andy Burnham replaces the PM. And neither would have I ever voted for the dreadful Liz Truss who must be the absolute worst PM we've ever had.

Because this country isn't run on the principle, 'what would Viviennemary be annoyed about being stuck with'

With the likely outcome of Reform?!

Noooo

The party elects the leader, the country elects the party, it's really not that difficult to understand.

Absolutely not. I didn’t vote for labour but that’s not how our system works, we vote for the party not the leader.

Well we didn’t vote for Rishi, Boris, Liz, Theresa (the first time), or Gordon. The party votes for the PM, not the electorate, so there’s no need for a GE. Elections cost millions and millions of pounds and cause a lot of disruption, and the party has only been in power for two years - barely enough time to get many of their policies rubber stamped, never mind implemented.

Good luck! We vote for parties, not leaders, and that’s been the system for 250 plus years. Nice that you think it should change to meet your requirements now, of course

Burnham is saying he wants to lay out a new path for Britain. That suggests he wants to diverge from the manifesto. So I do think another election is necessary. Just as there should have been when truss took over (not so much May and sunak as they did broadly follow the manifesto and May and Johnson did eventually concede an election to attempt public support for their own manifesto)

but I would prefer parties to actually have some cohesion and work as a team tbh. The last 10 years have been a farce and Labour seem determined to join the party

Isn't Nigel Farage a cult ?

Nor Brown, Callaghan nor Ken Livingstone the first time he ran the GLC.

Edited for typo.

Yes. Look at him in his football shirt sipping pints. Pink trousered man of the people he is

Typo?

😂

I don’t think so. Get Burnham in and see how it goes.

Given that the tories changed PM more regularly than most people change their knickers, no.

Just listened to Andy Burnham. He's going to change the country. Arrogant pig headed and power mad. He thinks he knows what's good for us. It's a total insult to voters. Did anybody vote for Andy Burnam's leftie agenda. I didn't.

You don't seem to understand how our democracy works. They don't change the rules to suit your personal preference.

And no doubt you were raging on Mumsnet about Liz Truss coming in without a GE and trashing people's mortgages... You did, didn't you?

What's left wing about it? Renationalising water? Tick from me. Renationalising energy? Tick from me. Sorting out public transport? Tick from me. Devolving more power to the regions so they can do what's best for them? Tick from me.

None of those things are left wing. What he's about to do is finally, fucking finally, wrestle the country back from the cunts who stole it from us, so the money we pay for the essentials we use is kept in the country and used to benefit us. Not fucking foreign shareholders and pension funds.

Tbh this thing about nationalisation is real. It will be hard. But I think it can be done. And perhaps if Starmer had been less timid, he might have started it. Anyway, I think it will come, and how it happens will surprise a lot of commentators in the press. They know little. I’d be looking at the FT keenly

Did you vote for Labour with Starmer in charge?

It's a risk to be wedded to one leader and certainly a risk to vote for a left wing party if you don't want a left wing leader.

I don't think it's about the leader but the manifesto. I vote for a party based on their manifesto- if they are going to break away from that, then I do think they should call an election with their new manifesto in place. If they are going to follow the party manifesto that was put forward at the time of the GE then I think they should be able to crack on.

Anyway I feel they are all as bad as each other. I thought the Labour Party would be better than the Conservative's in-fighting and squabbling but apparently not. Sick of all of them.

I thought his speech indicated the exact opposite. Power mad? No. It was a reasonable speech, it set out his vision to give people hope and make politics work again.
Not what you claim at all.

I don't know why you think you vote for a leader rather than the party, because you must know that leadership changes.
Another General Election would be expensive, divisive and achieve little benefit for the UK at this stage.
Labour have a mandate to rule. That's it.

why when its a popularity contest decided by joe public, if people cannot choose good leaders over the last few elections then maybe the system needs altering

YABU. You vote for your MP not the PM.