To think if Keir Starmer is ousted there should be a general election

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I think the set-up should be changed and if the PM is voted out by his party then there needs to be a general election. I didn't vote for very left wing policies which will happen if Andy Burnham replaces the PM. And neither would have I ever voted for the dreadful Liz Truss who must be the absolute worst PM we've ever had.

As others have said - we don't elect a PM, we just each elect an MP. They then organise themselves how they wish.

However I am royally pissed off that manifesto and actions dont line up.

Assisted dying for instance has been fineagled in via private members bills and digital id was nowhere in the manifesto. Add to that the attitude regarding the EU compared to the manifesto commitments its fairly shocking.

If we had that kind of accountability with some leeway for unforeseen events, then PMs could change but a significant change in policies would require a GE or some kind of public validation

No

Whatever people thing of OPs view it clearly says ‘I think it should be changed so that…’

so the thread doesn’t really need to be filled up by people telling OP that’s not how it works because the OP is about changing the status quo

have to say if you end up spending most of a year in leadership battles instead of governing it’s not great but I really hope the current spate is not going to become the norm!!

so the thread doesn’t really need to be filled up by people telling OP that’s not how it works because the OP is about changing the status quo

A suggestion of an alternative approach would help ... Any fool can get behind "Wah ! I don't like that". It takes wisdom to add "... we could try this ...."

OPs alternative approach is clearly to make it so that if you change leader you have to have a general election

not saying I agree or anything

You'll probably be disappointed to learn that Reform led Staffordshire County Council ended 2025-26 with a surplus of £6.69 million. Very different to Labour led Bankrupt Birmingham.

As long as AB sticks to manifesto pledges no need for GE. If he beers far to the left and brakes manifesto pledges maybe a case can be made for a GE.

Maybe we can start with calling for a by-election every time an MP or councillor changes party.

I wouldn't even advocate one for Robert Jenrick. Only if he faces the corruption charges I think he should face and is convicted.

I disagree with the OP but that I do agree with.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. I really hope you are a Russian bot that at least might save your blushes.

Yes they do with a direct (albeit via an electoral collage) presidential election. Congress and the president have separate mandates.

Given your fundamental misunderstanding of how our political system works I think I’d rather you didn’t vote at all.

Do you think the same of Rayner?

Very different to Kent CC as well where they’ve raised council tax and are dipping into reserves.

I don’t understand your point.

You wouldn’t vote for them anyway so stop pretending it’s about Burnham. Most of the Mumsnet regular posters know your views because you’re always moaning about benefits scroungers and council housing etc 😂

By savings made on the adult social care and safeguarding budget and inclusive education and learning.

It’s pretty clear isn’t it, there’s a screen shot from Rayner with that post.

Nigel?? Is that you Nigel, moaning and whining and moaning again?

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a very low blow playing on the general public’s miss understanding of how the political system works.

the same was said when brown replaced Blair. But fundamentally party members elect a leader, constituents elect an mp and the party with the majority become the government and the leader of the majority party becomes the pm.

I’m sure Nige is upset they didn’t win the seat but this turmoil in the Labour Party is good for him. And now they get to go for Manchester mayoralship.

the big parties need to show unity in their party if they really want to see off reform

No, I don't think the system should be changed for a new GE upon a change of leader. There's no democracy in the world that requires this, so far as I know (even in Presidential systems, where there isn't the "you vote for the party, not the individual" argument).

I don't think your underlying rationale is sound. Yes, a new PM/President could bring about a change of policy, but a PM/President can (and often do) u-turn on their pre-election pledges.

It may not be "what you voted for" but, really, how often is it?

I’m pretty sure that having seen how successful tactical voting is in defeating Reform the same thing will happen in the mayoral election.

In the US if the president dies or is removed (I wish), the line of succession is VP, the speaker of the House, the president pro Tempore of the Senate - then Secretary of State. There is NOT an election despite being directly elected. When a senator dies or resigns, different states have different rules nd many do not have by elections.
There is no way the legislature would be re elected.
Democracy is more complicated than just voting for the person you think should be in charge.