Burnham has won. More turmoil?

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Now Burnham has won, it will trigger a leadership contest, and if he wins, a new chancellor of the exchequer.

Surely this cannot be good for the country, or its finances?

YABU - Burnham is a true leader who will improve the UK for everyone and be a competent and respected leader.

YANBU - FFS, here we go again.

I'm not sure I understand what you say. Do you mean that a left wing government or left wing movement is trying to pit people against each other on the grounds of whether they're concerned about immigration? What benefit would that bring?

I'm not aware of the government wanting to control the population as a whole. Again, to what purpose? There isn't a plan for mandatory digital ID; that was dropped as compulsory ID schemes tend to be, no matter what shade the govt. that suggests them.

I guess I'm just interested less in the how you think the left is trying to create division and more in the why.

You are either being wilfully obtuse, or are too dumb to bother with. Good day.

Oh and no you’re wrong. Myself with a foreign national ex and 2 kids of mixed race has been called racist for speaking up about unlimited mass migration on these sort of threads. Go figure

Is that all you e got to give! Nice to try and shut people down with a bit of gaslighting isn’t it. Doesn’t wash sorry 😂

No. Some people would label you racist for voicing concerns in a racist way. Big difference.

What unlimited mass migration are you talking about?

Maybe go and check out the latest figures.

Well I'm.sorry but the question was quite daft! What about before austerity? Different policies! What about before the second world war? Not the second world war. 🤷‍♀️

Why can’t you accept that there are some people out there who do call people ‘racist’ in this scenario? Just because you wouldn’t, doesn’t mean there aren’t people out there who do.

Oh ffs 😂😂😂😂

Social media algorithms have a lot to answer for. You like a particular video, they give you something similar to look at. Soon you see nothing else. A lot of these people never look at any of the traditional news sources which are regulated and accountable. God only knows who's funding a lot of the nonsense that's pushing people towards the various extremists at both end of the spectrum. Nobody who has the interests of the ordinary UK population at heart, that's for sure.

So…. Look at how the country was 40 years ago. I seem to remember it not being so divided. Morale was nowhere near as low as it is now.
Starmer labels anyone who speaks out against him as far right. The digital ID thing… dressed up as banning kids U16 from social media yet adults have to verify their age via digital ID to prove they’re adults.

Forty years ago we were in the thick of Thatcherism. There were strikes as the government radically reformed society, de-industrialising and de-unionising. Section 28 - anti gay legislation - was in force and homophobia was rife. Thatcher was refusing sanctions against South Africa, racism was normal and commonplace in the UK. The Broadwater Farm riots had recently happened. Women faced gross misogyny and rape victims routinely disbelieved. Unemployment was high, as was inequality which dramatically widened in the 80s. Let's not look at that period with rose tinted glasses.

Yet still the country wasn’t as divided as it is now.

This sounds strangely familiar. Some of it at least.

When did I say you were a fan of the Tories, I don't remember typing that at all?

I was merely challenging your sweeping statement (again) that Starmer is the "worst PM in history" and cited two PMs with poorer track records who just happen to be Tory Prime Ministers.

I don't think Starmer has done enough bad things to be called the "worst PM in history" not by a long chalk.
Before the dreadful, illegal war in Iran was started by Trump the economy was actually starting to get back on track.

I would argue that it was just as divided. There was a real distinction between the haves and the have nots; and of course if you were black, gay, a woman, working-class....you wouldn't have thought you were living through halcyon days in the 80s.

There are some necessary functions of capitalist societies that ensure that nothing much changes.

I’m not sure what the war in Iran has to do with the UK…. But I guess you are deflecting again. I think you should do some research. Many articles state he is the worst PM in history. Put it this way, in the whole 46 years I’ve been alive I’ve never known a PM become so unpopular within their 1st year of premiership. Starmer has managed that in true Starmer style. You can deny all you like but nobody wants him in power anymore (apart from people like yourself). What do you think this thread is about - Burnham winning the by election as a way to get into Westminster to get Starmer out. It was all a well articulated set up for that very reason. But you can deny that all you like.

Oh for goodness sake! Here you go again!

Did you actually live through the 80s or are you again parroting something you have read somewhere??

The definition of racism has changed hugely since BLM. Its remit is now so wide it includes the vast majority of the white population.

Because of this, I don't think people care-in a way they did before-about being called racist. I certainly don't.

The definition has changed. I haven't and if I now fit the more ridiculous definitions of racism then so be it.

I am waiting for the day when the definition of slim is changed to include a 20 stone woman. I mean, I'll be slim according to that but of course I know that in every other way, in reality, I won't be!

In the same way, you've changed the definition of racism and according to that I am now racist but in every other way, in reality, I'm not and that's why a growing number of people no longer care if they're called racist according to the new lights.

They jumped the shark, as they say.

I'm not convinced that popularity is synonymous with being a good PM.

I think one of Starmer's biggest failings is that he keeps incredibly quiet about positive changes the government makes. Why?

I agree. But the whole country nowadays is divided. We all seem to hate each other, including on these threads. People have done well to campaign against misogyny and racism and we have come a long way since then. But when you get a completely divided nation and many different political parties that didn’t exist years ago all giving their views then it’s something else altogether.
i hate absolutely nobody for being a different skin colour, even my mixed race kids. But somehow get called a racist for speaking up against illegal migration. What I can’t stand is the total ‘shutdown’ and silencing of opinions that don’t adhere to the left’s way of thinking.

The definition hasn't changed. People seem more comfortable with expressing views that used to be seen as shameful. I think it's because they've been given permission to do so by right wing populists like Farage, Johnson, Trump, those kind of figureheads.

I disagree with illegal immigration. It's dangerous and costly in terms of human life. I think there should be many more safe and legal routes for asylum seekers. I've never been called a racist. It depends on how you couch your views.

Yeah I refer you back to the post very early this morning. I think somewhere near 6am where someone made a blatantly obvious racist post about white male leaders. Yet nobody batted an eyelid about it. If they had mentioned “brown leaders”, however, there would have been uproar. It seems nowadays it’s absolutely ok for people to be racist against white people!