AIBU to ask about the rape gang inquiry report? (Content warning - Details of Independent Rape Gang Inquiry)

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Rape gang inquiry report bit.ly/4uE5odw

It's harrowing

I'm sorry you were the victim of abuse. I can understand your anger, but numerous fact checks suggest that the Restore report is inaccurate. The Alexis Jay report was scathing about police and social services failures, and about the extent of the grooming. We don't need Restore using these events for political advantage.

I'm not trying to teach you about anything. I'm giving you an outline of my own experiences in Rotherham, a place you seem to think I know nothing about.

No, I think during your time in Rotherham you existed in a little bubble. Your first post to me didn’t acknowledge victims at all, in fact whilst ignoring victims in your post, you mentioned how Pakistani families wanted to send their girls to good schools and how well fed you were in their homes - can you not see how unbelievably offensive that it? No word on victims, but the families fed you well! Come on - that’s part of what enabled this mess in the first place.

You mentioned that you were aware that there was an issue with views towards women and girls and that you knew the authorities were not taking it seriously. Yet, you won’t say what you did about that. If you were working in a college and knew that these issues weren’t being taken seriously and yet did nothing, that’s part of the problem. The Jay report also highlighted Racism and the view that white girls like myself were considered below shit on the shoe and your only concern to that is that it’s Restore who have finally given those girls a voice.

@Tekknonan Have you actually seen Rupert Lowe stand up and speak about this? When he tries to get shouted down for continuing? It looks like he cares more about these victims than you do. You are projecting your need to first and foremost protect the identity of the rapists. As a fellow woman, I find that despicable as well as regressive.

Set to be released this week. No doubt he'll be welcomed and protected by his community, as others were. Sickening.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/bafc52b9-c4d8-45c7-bad4-2480a8347f5f?shareToken=3bc58db8f776f9fbe111805ce61fccfc

@Tekknonan I’m astounded by your naivety. That’s how they get away with it. These men have “nice families”, they will absolutely welcome you with open arms and cook you a lovely meal. A lot of the men are pillars of the community. They raise a lot of money for charity, they’re seen to do a lot of good work and often have a great reputation locally. Scratch the surface ever so slightly and you see what’s really going on. It’s an open secret, everyone knows about it but they turn a blind eye because they’re such “nice family men”.

But never mind all those poor girls being exploited, I’m glad you enjoyed yourself and had a few nice meals!

Another thread on this which is quiet. No surprise.

Always the same on MN. But hey, I'm sure 'Daddy' will rustle up some tasty food if the pp wants to visit.
Greater Manchester Police estimate there are at least 800 men like 'Daddy' on their patch alone, and it is still happening.

What’s frightening is they are just the ones they know about

Yep. Not sure if I would trust them to be accurate either, they have form.
Point is, this is not just a few bad apples, and their friends and families accept and defend them. Its chilling.

I remember Shabir Ahmed and the others. Shabir worked for Oldham Council as a welfare officer. His mates were high up in the council and in the Labour Party, in fact, they still are! He hasn’t even served his full sentence, I bet those girls are still dealing with the repercussions of what he did to the them.

I had a quick google and can see Raja Miah did a FOI request a few years ago for the people who gave Shabir references and character references for his defence in court. Apparently there were quite a few.

Ah but don’t forget, they want to send their daughters to good schools, they just have a tiny problem with some of the boys showing a bit of a bad attitude to women nothing worth escalating. Upstanding members of the community and all that jazz!

That doesn't surprise me at all. There's a lot still to come out about Oldham.

The first time I encountered actual racism was at university where the ‘nice’ Pakistani boys were regaling us with all the racist words and slurs they used against white people, especially women.

As Tekknonan demonstrates, it is possible to be perceived as a Good Person and therefore above suspicion by being generous with food and hospitality and wanting a good education for your kids. Obviously many will actually be good people and just generous and hospitable but it leaves scope for advantage to be taken of that.

There is also the aspect that Islam apparently teaches that a good Muslim’s first responsibility is to other Muslims with non Muslims not figuring as a priority. That could have an impact on the social pressure for some to look the other way.

There's a GB News thread on the go and the usual denial is taking place. Once again, calling people racists ranks
higher than Facing the truth.

I’m amazed at this, looked it up and yes.

Yes, Shabir Ahmed, the ringleader of a notorious Rochdale grooming gang, worked for Oldham Council as a welfare rights officer for 18 years until 2006. about:blank 1, 2]

Continuation of Employment: He was allowed to keep his job working with vulnerable adults and children even after an allegation of child sexual abuse was made against him in 2005. about:blank 1, 2]

Omg, that is shocking..

But but he has lived here 50 years! And heaven forfend the poor Pakastani girls we would unleash him upon if he was sent to Pakistan.

No thought for our own girls at all

Also, bearing in mind @EasternStandard criminal record disclosure laws came into place
After the Soham murders in 2002. Do these authorities never learn?.

Loathed as I am to quote the BBC, let's see how this investigation pans out. It just gets worse for women and girls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4e109nx04o

@EasternStandard yep, he’s not the only one either. The extent of the cover up with this stuff is shocking. It sounds like a far fetched conspiracy theory. I hope it all comes out one day but I suspect it won’t for many years. It’s an open secret and there’s too many people involved that are in such high positions of power.

Yep. Maggie Oliver keeps saying that there has been a massive cover up re Oldham. There is much more to come out.
The LA repeatedly stopped an inquiry (remember Jess Philips claiming that Oldham didn't want one when she was trying to defend the govt's then position of not having a national inquiry). As soon as Labour lost control of Oldham council, a vote was held, and they voted in favour of an inquiry. Its a mess.
Ex head of Oldham Council has questions to answer, yet Harriet Harman was caught out responding to her on SM (now deleted) talking about a position in the Lords!

But a third review, into widescale sexual abuse by Asian gangs against children in Oldham, amounted to little more than a cover-up. And the 'assurance review' that followed – so-called because it was meant to assure the public that the reign of the gangs was at an end, and that Greater Manchester Police were finally dealing with the victims properly – was not honest, transparent, or fit for purpose. It was so poor that I had to withdraw myself and my charity, the Maggie Oliver Foundation, from any association.

https://www.dailymail.com/debate/article-15825933/MAGGIE-OLIVER-Burnham-chance-voice-grooming-gang-victims-wasted-it.html

The riots happened in Oldham in 2001, Shabir Ahmed wasn’t even convicted until 2012. And his horrible mates are still terrorising these girls and their families now in 2026!

The 2001 riots happened because people had already spent years reporting things (grooming, rape, racist attacks, corrupt authority figures, “no go areas”, and all sorts that was going on) to the police, councillors, MPs, social services, etc but no one listened, they were dismissed and labelled racist. There absolutely were plenty of racists in Oldham but the whole town wasn’t racist!

When no one is listening and you can see things are getting worse, what do you do? Some people moved away. Some of the racists got other racists from other parts of the country involved and they all rioted.

All that did was make things worse because after that, if you dared to speak up about anything then you were definitely racist. The gangs carried on, got more power, and more young girls were abused.

Yes, all true. I left in 2000, so just before the riots.
Its still happening, and the 'no-go' areas still exist. I wish I could give some of the bleeding heart liberals a tour sometimes.

Harriet Harman should be ashamed. I knew about her support for PIE, but I didn't know she was in cahoots with this lot.