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AIBU to think that all men are…

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Millie2008 · 16/06/2026 00:09

… really pretty useless?! Well not all men I’m sure.
But a lot of them.
I just feel like I’m seeing examples of useless men
every way I turn…
-weaponised incompetence
-childishness
-selfishness
-carelessness
the list goes on…

I feel like once you see it you can’t unsee it. Friends, family, personal experience, out in public, everywhere!

Happy to be proved wrong

I was just thinking, I’m not sure I can ever go back
to dating men. At my stage of life they will likely be divorced men. And all I’ll be thinking is what did you do to piss your ex off enough to want to leave you…

OP posts:
GreyCarpet · 16/06/2026 11:24

BauhausOfEliott · 16/06/2026 10:32

In my experience most people are fairly awful, men and women. I definitely don't think men are intrinsically worse than women. If I look back over my 50 years on this earth, I can honestly say that nice/nasty distribution for me has been equal across the sexes.

People often say on here that you only have to look at the threads about awful husbands and boyfriends to determine that men are terrible. But those people probably ought to consider all the threads about friends, mothers, MILs, SILs and DILs too. I honestly think that women are just as likely as men to be total cunts.

Completely agree!

JustJugglingCats · 16/06/2026 11:32

These threads kind of make me sigh, because lots of posters come on here moaning they are left to parent the children, that the father does nothing. This is a legitimate moan if you put aside the fact that why are women letting the blokes get away with it and not putting their foot down the very first time they tried to pull that trick and every single time they try to avoid childcare until it isn't an issue anymore. But by the same token, if the women ARE being made to do 100% of the parenting, why aren't the male children being raised better? To NOT be useless, to NOT be useless idiots who can't use and iron or a washing machine. SOMEONE is not teaching these men to be useful snd respectful, and if women are moaning that the men are absent then it's the women that are allowing it.

I'm not sure I'm explaining that coherently. Basically, it's an unequivocal given that men should step up of their own accord and teach their sons to be useful members of society and to teach their daughters to not accept anything less than an equal partner. That being said, since they aren't, and women are apparently being left to do it, then surely women have to accept some of the blame that the up and coming men are useless? That's not victim blaming, but it has to be at least 50% on women's shoulders?

Does that make sense? If women (for whatever reason) are the only parent in the equation, then why aren't men growing up better as surely they are mainly being influenced by the women? The may SEE the bad bevaviour of their fathers and other men, but surely then they get more influence from their mothers showing them and telling them that this is way NOT to be?

For what it's worth, my husband is fabulous, a total equal partner in every way and a wonderful role model. But then I wouldn't have accepted anything less!

NovemberMorn · 16/06/2026 11:58

Corryvreckan · 16/06/2026 08:30

Completely agree.
The very few nice men are the exception rather than the rule.

I see we have the usual handmaidens popping up here feeling the need to pretend that arsehole behaviour is equally represented in both sexes.

'Handmaidens' 😁
Arshole behaviour is certainly not confined to men....women can be even bigger twats, just in different ways.

Summerhillsquare · 16/06/2026 12:00

JustJugglingCats · 16/06/2026 11:32

These threads kind of make me sigh, because lots of posters come on here moaning they are left to parent the children, that the father does nothing. This is a legitimate moan if you put aside the fact that why are women letting the blokes get away with it and not putting their foot down the very first time they tried to pull that trick and every single time they try to avoid childcare until it isn't an issue anymore. But by the same token, if the women ARE being made to do 100% of the parenting, why aren't the male children being raised better? To NOT be useless, to NOT be useless idiots who can't use and iron or a washing machine. SOMEONE is not teaching these men to be useful snd respectful, and if women are moaning that the men are absent then it's the women that are allowing it.

I'm not sure I'm explaining that coherently. Basically, it's an unequivocal given that men should step up of their own accord and teach their sons to be useful members of society and to teach their daughters to not accept anything less than an equal partner. That being said, since they aren't, and women are apparently being left to do it, then surely women have to accept some of the blame that the up and coming men are useless? That's not victim blaming, but it has to be at least 50% on women's shoulders?

Does that make sense? If women (for whatever reason) are the only parent in the equation, then why aren't men growing up better as surely they are mainly being influenced by the women? The may SEE the bad bevaviour of their fathers and other men, but surely then they get more influence from their mothers showing them and telling them that this is way NOT to be?

For what it's worth, my husband is fabulous, a total equal partner in every way and a wonderful role model. But then I wouldn't have accepted anything less!

It is victim blaming, and no. When the entire water in which we swim isn't sexist, then we call start blaming women for not raising their sons better.

Cosimarocks · 16/06/2026 12:01

My mother once told me that ALL men use their penises as weapons. I was 8. What a great way to introduce me to the idea of healthy sexual relationships.

No, no all men are awful. Men are, like women, individuals and so different. Some are great some are awful and most are ordinary and ordinarily flawed.

That’s not to say that our society isn’t still wildly skewed towards men. But so too is our society set up to benefit the richest amongst us and to value big business above lives and the environment.

But beyond the wider workings of society, I find this grouping and labelling of people, that is increasing nowadays, pushing individuals into boxes, terrifying. This idea that all of any race, sex, creed or country are bad or good, is madness. Surely we should be able to view the actions, for instance, of a country’s government as awful without demonising that country and its people as a whole. We should be able to point out, for example, that the Israeli government are committing genocide without also saying that all Israelis are inherently bad (and certainly not take that wider to all jews) and equally we should be able to point out that what Hammas has done is awful while also acknowledging that the Palestinian people do not deserve to be wiped off the face of the planet!
Just because Trump and his government are doing terrible things does not make all Americans terrible. Just as not all Russians want what Putin does. And equally not all members of some community are wonderful just because that community is a minority and under attack. It’s about greys and nuance.

I’m sorry that you’ve had some awful experiences of men. But it’s not all men. It’s some. Absolutely there is a cultural and societal issue. But that’s wider than the individuals.

And we need them don’t we? Really. I always remember hearing Jane Goodall speak about how she and her team managed to turn around the poaching and environmental crisis in Tanzania. Their first feeling was to hate the poachers and want nothing to do with them. But then they realised that the only way to change things was to work with them, to understand them and too to use their enormous knowledge of the area and the animals. They engaged with them and soon many of the poachers became rangers guarding and looking after those chimpanzees they had previously hunted and helping to engage with the wider community to understand these wonderful creatures and find ways to protect the animals, increase the forests and at the same time make the lives of the people living there better.

Putting up walls and creating monsters and ‘othering’ never helps.

TheHateUGive · 16/06/2026 12:11

NovemberMorn · 16/06/2026 11:58

'Handmaidens' 😁
Arshole behaviour is certainly not confined to men....women can be even bigger twats, just in different ways.

Yes but some people have been groomed to see females as so benign and helpless that they can't cause proper harm

AWeeCupOfTeaAndAnIndividualFruitTrifle · 16/06/2026 12:34

I feel that men are inherently selfish and being all “me first” is a message that’s driven into them from childhood. Not all men obviously. Women are raised from a young age to be caring, nurturing to put family first etc. Which I don’t agree with either.

Do you think that's because fathers are much too dominant in bringing up and raising children, and thus they naturally have far more influence than the children's mothers - who are presumably either not allowed to have any part in bringing up their children after birthing them or are otherwise simply not interested in doing so?

NovemberMorn · 16/06/2026 13:37

TheHateUGive · 16/06/2026 12:11

Yes but some people have been groomed to see females as so benign and helpless that they can't cause proper harm

And some women have been groomed to believe all men are horrible, in fact I think a good majority of women who post on this site believe that to be the case.

The fact is some men are horrible,just as some are lovely, the same applies to women.

MaryBeardsShoes · 16/06/2026 13:40

PollyBell · 16/06/2026 00:25

OP so your father, brother/s, uncles, work collegues, cousins all are useless?

IME yes. My brother is actually pretty decent and very involved as a father. But he’s also had a lifetime of being told how amazing he is.

Not all men, but the vast majority.

ToadRage · 16/06/2026 14:08

I think the idea comes from MN as women only tend to post about bad husbands and if you don't have men in your life to prove them wrong it's easy to resign this.

I am lucky cos I am surrounded by good men: my husband is amazing, he has taken my disabilty in his stride and has really stepped up, looking after me and pushing for all the things that I'm entititled to as a young disabled person. My FiL is awesome, a dying breed of men who knows how to do things and though he can only visit a couple of times a year and is in his 70's every time he comes he fixes something. My father died in 2011 but he was my hero and I have never loved anyone more. I have others but I will leave it at this.

NovemberMorn · 16/06/2026 14:16

ToadRage · 16/06/2026 14:08

I think the idea comes from MN as women only tend to post about bad husbands and if you don't have men in your life to prove them wrong it's easy to resign this.

I am lucky cos I am surrounded by good men: my husband is amazing, he has taken my disabilty in his stride and has really stepped up, looking after me and pushing for all the things that I'm entititled to as a young disabled person. My FiL is awesome, a dying breed of men who knows how to do things and though he can only visit a couple of times a year and is in his 70's every time he comes he fixes something. My father died in 2011 but he was my hero and I have never loved anyone more. I have others but I will leave it at this.

That's so refreshing to read on here.

Sometimes I think if young inexperienced women post/read here, they will get the impression all men are bastards even before they have had their own experiences.
Obviously your dad, brothers, uncles, etc. can influence your way of thinking, but it's always best to keep an open mind and not be swayed by other women's tales of woe.
On a forum like this; the bad is often talked about rather than the good.

lulubalu · 16/06/2026 14:22

yes to everything you listed and more
my 'd'H has taken to saying 'you hate men' to me and it's true, every last one of them that i know, plus a whole host that i've never met but read about in the media: all up to some level of fucking bullshit
I agree with the first poster "most men are cunts"
for sure my Dad, brother and 'd'H are or have behaved like cunts in the past
my perimeno rage is firmly directed at the male species

JustJugglingCats · 16/06/2026 14:41

Summerhillsquare · 16/06/2026 12:00

It is victim blaming, and no. When the entire water in which we swim isn't sexist, then we call start blaming women for not raising their sons better.

But why can't women blame other women for not raising their sons better? Their sons are the ones that make the world the sexist sea you talk about... It's not just up to the fathers to raise better sons, it's up to the mothers too. And since there seem to be so many absent fathers these days, not influencing anyone, then it's 100% on the mothers to raise better sons.

In fact, you could look at it another way, since there are so many single mothers these days, with no fatherly influence, surely men should be BETTER these days, as they only have their mothers guidance on how to be better future partners. Just think about that... We need to stop blaming men for everything. They behave how they behave because there are enough women out there to put up with all their shit and marry them anyway! You only have to read threads on here from women who say their husband has always been useless, has never done a day of child care and they have 3 kids... Why? Why would you have child 2 & 3 when he didn't step up for the first? Why did you marry him when he never lifted a finger to do any housework? Why did you stay with him when you had to do all the cooking? Why didn't you raise your daughters to be strong enough to know their own worth? WOMEN need to STOP putting up with so much crap. WOMEN need to walk away from useless boyfriends who turn into useless husbands who turn into useless fathers. Yes, some men are crap. They would be less crap if WOMEN as a whole said enough, no more. We need to stop being so bloody passive. Saying all men are crap is lazy, we are 50% of the population and if we don't like how the other 50% are behaving then it's up to us to stop putting up with it and moaning about it!

People of BOTH sexes will be lazy and selfish if the people around them allow them to be. Men appear to be more selfish and lazy because the womenfolk in their lives let them get away with it... Time to stand up and take control.

FernFaery · 16/06/2026 14:45

PollyBell · 16/06/2026 00:25

OP so your father, brother/s, uncles, work collegues, cousins all are useless?

But when people think of their dad they think of a nice man that taught them to ride a bike and went to work. They don’t see the endless shit their mothers had to put up with. The vast majority of retired men I know rely entirely on their wives for their social lives, diary keeping, cooking, cleaning, medical appointments and general life admin despite the fact they’re retired and have all the time in the world to do these things themselves.

Being a romantic partner or coparent with a man is very very different to seeing them ‘on display’ at work, or in a social setting.

JHound · 16/06/2026 14:45

I don’t think they are useless.

I think those who pretend to be useless do so when convenient as it benefits them.

JustJugglingCats · 16/06/2026 14:48

But why can't women blame other women for not raising their sons better? Their sons are the ones that make the world the sexist sea you talk about... It's not just up to the fathers to raise better sons, it's up to the mothers too. And since there seem to be so many absent fathers these days, not influencing anyone, then it's 100% on the mothers to raise better sons.

In fact, you could look at it another way, since there are so many single mothers these days, with no fatherly influence, surely men should be BETTER these days, as they only have their mothers guidance on how to be better future partners. Just think about that... Yes, it's utterly crap that so many men are buggering off. But that's the perfect teaching moment for the remaining parent (the mother, the woman), to teach their son that this is wrong and why it's wrong.

We need to stop blaming men for everything and take some of the responsibility and look at what WOMEN can control and what WOMEN can change. Men behave how they behave because there are enough women out there to put up with all their shit and marry them anyway! You only have to read threads on here from women who say their husband has always been useless, has never done housework, has never done a day of child care and they have 3 kids... Why? Why would you have child 2 & 3 when he didn't step up for the first? Why did you marry him when he never lifted a finger to do any housework? Why did you stay with him when you had to do all the cooking? Why didn't you raise your daughters to be strong enough to know their own worth? If you take the view it's mens' fault that sons grow up rubbish, then by default, it must be womens' fault that daughters grow up to accept such rubbish. WOMEN need to STOP putting up with so much crap. WOMEN need to walk away from useless boyfriends who turn into useless husbands who turn into useless fathers. Yes, some men are crap. They would be less crap if WOMEN as a whole said enough, no more. We need to stop being so bloody passive. Saying all men are crap is lazy, we are 50% of the population and if we don't like how the other 50% are behaving then it's up to us to stop putting up with it and moaning about it!

People of BOTH sexes will be lazy and selfish if the people around them allow them to be. Men appear to be more selfish and lazy because the womenfolk in their lives let them get away with it... Time to stand up and take control.

Noce · 16/06/2026 14:49

Anything that starts with “all men are” is likely to be factually incorrect.

some men are useless. Not all are. My husband certainly isn’t.

Noce · 16/06/2026 14:50

JustJugglingCats · 16/06/2026 14:48

But why can't women blame other women for not raising their sons better? Their sons are the ones that make the world the sexist sea you talk about... It's not just up to the fathers to raise better sons, it's up to the mothers too. And since there seem to be so many absent fathers these days, not influencing anyone, then it's 100% on the mothers to raise better sons.

In fact, you could look at it another way, since there are so many single mothers these days, with no fatherly influence, surely men should be BETTER these days, as they only have their mothers guidance on how to be better future partners. Just think about that... Yes, it's utterly crap that so many men are buggering off. But that's the perfect teaching moment for the remaining parent (the mother, the woman), to teach their son that this is wrong and why it's wrong.

We need to stop blaming men for everything and take some of the responsibility and look at what WOMEN can control and what WOMEN can change. Men behave how they behave because there are enough women out there to put up with all their shit and marry them anyway! You only have to read threads on here from women who say their husband has always been useless, has never done housework, has never done a day of child care and they have 3 kids... Why? Why would you have child 2 & 3 when he didn't step up for the first? Why did you marry him when he never lifted a finger to do any housework? Why did you stay with him when you had to do all the cooking? Why didn't you raise your daughters to be strong enough to know their own worth? If you take the view it's mens' fault that sons grow up rubbish, then by default, it must be womens' fault that daughters grow up to accept such rubbish. WOMEN need to STOP putting up with so much crap. WOMEN need to walk away from useless boyfriends who turn into useless husbands who turn into useless fathers. Yes, some men are crap. They would be less crap if WOMEN as a whole said enough, no more. We need to stop being so bloody passive. Saying all men are crap is lazy, we are 50% of the population and if we don't like how the other 50% are behaving then it's up to us to stop putting up with it and moaning about it!

People of BOTH sexes will be lazy and selfish if the people around them allow them to be. Men appear to be more selfish and lazy because the womenfolk in their lives let them get away with it... Time to stand up and take control.

Stop blaming women for men’s faults ya rocket

Tonissister · 16/06/2026 14:59

YABVU. Because all men aren't. As you know.

That teenage boy recently who swam miles through the night from a boat stranded out at sea, to get rescue for his mum and sister who were too weak to do the swim themselves? What a shit, eh? Nelson Mandela? Scum. That man who made himself a human bridge between a sinking boat and a rescue boat so people could literally walk over him to safety? Hate him. The bus driver who swerved and saved the life of the woman thrown into the road? What a louse. Alan Bates, tirelessly fighting for the rights of all his fellow postmasters and mistresses when everyone else gave up? Who needs arses like that, eh?

The world is full of good, kind men who go under the radar. And genuinely heroic men whose value gets dimmed by bad news. It's true that most of the worst behaviour in the world is done by men, not women. That is an issue. And it's true that men get idolised if they do even half the domestic load most women do without comment. That is infuriating and unfair.

But many men are decent, kind, brave, gentle, protective, loyal, hardworking, loving, community spirited, honest. I think we need to raise their profile. make heroes of them, so that society stops bigging up tossers like Trump and Musk and instead idolises men like Alan Bates who campaign for fairness and justice.

JustJugglingCats · 16/06/2026 15:01

Noce · 16/06/2026 14:50

Stop blaming women for men’s faults ya rocket

Children of both sexes learn from their parents, for good or bad. Who's fault is it then..? If a man is raised by a woman, who is at fault for the man's attitude and behaviour? And please don't say "the internet" because someone raised the people who put the stuff on the internet.

And if women allow themsleves to be doormats, and to do all the cooking and cleaning and childcare whilst moaning about it on MN. Who's fault is that? Stil mens?

And I'm NOT talking about victims of abuse, that is obviously very different and far more nuanced. I'm just talking about the low level crap that MN is full of... How do I make my husband do some housework, how do I make him take the bins out, why won't my husband look after the kids on his own, why does my husband get to go to the gym every night for 4 hours and I can't even have a bath in peace..? Because you didn't put your foot down the first time he did / didn't do it and now he thinks it's normal and you just assum he should be different. And that's why I sigh...

Tonissister · 16/06/2026 15:02

@JustJugglingCats

"But why can't women blame other women for not raising their sons better?"

I despair. You do realise you are doing exactly what you are saying we shouldn't do? You are making it women's job to raise good sons. Why is that not their fathers' duty?

Waitingfordoggo · 16/06/2026 15:04

They aren’t all useless but a lot are. Many men are self-centred purely because they can be (because they are surrounded by women who do stuff for them so they can concentrate on their jobs or hobbies in a way that women often can’t). I think it would be fair to say that- overall- women spend a lot more time doing things for other people than men do outside of the workplace. Bringing up children, looking after elderly relatives, taking extra care of friends who are going through difficult times etc. So we tend to spread ourselves a lot thinner and feel more responsibility for helping to look after the people around us. Coupled with our much lower rates of violence, that makes women just better humans than men overall.

And yes, I had a wonderful dad- truly a good man- the opposite of lazy or useless. But Mum did most of the child-rearing and house stuff even though she too worked full-time in a challenging career. She also looked after her elderly father, joined the PTA, ran a Guides group and volunteered in the community, while Dad’s free time was mostly spent bike riding or sailing. Both lovely people and excellent parents, but Mum was doing the lion’s share of the work of life, and therefore had a greater positive impact on others than Dad did.

6ate9 · 16/06/2026 15:05

ALL men are really pretty useless is an awful message for boys and young men to have to hear!!!

Plasticdreams · 16/06/2026 15:07

I think I’ll become a lesbian after the menopause. The hormones are still there currently but after they die off, I might as will switch teams.

ImpatientlyWaitingForSummer · 16/06/2026 15:09

Sorry to hear of all the people dealing with shit men, in my experience though:

Partner - amazing, most wonderful man/dad to our children. He is a fantastic human being
Dad - great person, raised me on his own, still my number one confidant
Brother - brainbox, responsible, go-getter, brilliant with my children, they adore him
FIL (partner’s dad) - amazing man, would do anything for anyone, generous, kind and one hell of a father and grandfather

These are the men I am closest to in my life so I guess my personal view is that I’m lucky enough to say that the men I know are truly wonderful

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