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To think benefits need to be cut to fund increased spending on defence

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Viviennemary · 14/06/2026 20:04

This is absolutely necessary. Keir Starmer shouldnt have backed down the last time. But now with the current situation with Russia drastic steps need to be taken. We simply can't afford to sustain the current benefits bill with the armed forces so depleted. The money is needed to increase defence.

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ladygindiva · 14/06/2026 21:43

thefloorislavayes · 14/06/2026 20:30

Around 3.1 million Universal Credit claimants are in work. Contrary to popular belief, a large proportion of people receiving benefits are working. Many are on benefits not because they don't want to work, but because a full-time wage is no longer enough to support a family.
In many parts of the country, even two people working full-time on minimum wage struggle to support a family once housing, childcare, energy bills and other essentials are taken into account.
When you add the fact that many mothers end up raising children with little or no day-to-day support from the father, the financial pressure becomes even greater.
The real problem is not that people don't want to work. The real problem is that wages have failed to keep pace with the cost of living, leaving millions of working people dependent on benefits to make ends meet.

Agree with all this, but to add, the insane cost of housing is to my mind the biggest problem and needs addressing urgently.

KateSixer · 14/06/2026 21:44

BIossomtoes · 14/06/2026 21:35

There’s a vast amount of untaxed wealth. Profits from money invested on the stock market don’t attract tax unless or until the shares are converted to cash. The same goes for property investment.

Well obviously that's fair and reasonable!

Why would it be fair to tax things that haven't been turned into cash yet? You can't spend a share!

And what happens if those shares then fall in value? Do you get a rebate?

ChickenBananaBanana · 14/06/2026 21:45

How much would you like to reduce my £86 per week carers allowance by op?

youalright · 14/06/2026 21:45

Comeondoreen · 14/06/2026 21:40

I don’t know enough about the benefits system to know what should change or why it should change, but there is clearly something wrong because I qualify for benefits and we absolutely, without a doubt don’t need them.

one of my children has a disability. His paediatrician has been on at me for years to apply for DLA but I always just thought that was ludicrous - at the moment, my experience parenting him is not vastly different to my other non-disabled children. Due to his condition no one knows what his future holds, so of course one day that might be very different. He may grow up to be very high functioning, or he may need lifelong care. They cannot tell yet. But for now, he’s really no bother. He attends mainstream school very happily with a one to one. Eventually I did apply for DLA to appease the paediatrician, entirely expecting to be rejected. But we have been awarded several hundred pounds a month. I do not doubt that many families desperately need this money, but I don’t see why we do. I feel uncomfortable about it and considered seeing if I could cancel the claim, but went back and forth in my head about whether I cared more about benefiting my child(ren) or my own conscience. Currently, the money each month is going into investments - if my child needs care when older, that money will be a small help towards it, but if it transpires that he doesn’t then I imagine we will just split it between our children.

I also then spoke with a DWP lady who went through our finances and told me that due to the age of my youngest, I could pack in my job and get over £1K of universal credit a month until youngest turns 3!! I forget the exact amount now but it was more than £1K but less than £1.5K. Which is really not very much less than what I earn - I get about £1.6K a month after tax. I will of course not be quitting my job - it’s hard work and I can no longer do what I qualified for at uni due to wanting to be around for my children in the daytimes (I work nights), but it’s entirely doable. How can it be right that the taxpayer foots the bill for me to not work when I am perfectly able to? We have anywhere between £700 and £1K spare at the end of each month. So even though the UC would be less than what I’m earning now, we’d still have money left over at the end of the month. The only reason we don’t currently have over the savings limit for UC is that we just spent it all (perhaps foolishly but whatever) on an ambitious house move. How can it be right that us spending our money on a nice house means that we now can get government support if I quit my job?! Surely we should be expected to at least attempt to downsize to release equity and use our own assets before getting funded by the taxpayer?

I just cannot understand it. Someone in my position should not get benefits for simply deciding to pack my job in.

There is no way someone from the dwp told you to quit your job.

TheAutumnCrow · 14/06/2026 21:47

Viviennemary · 14/06/2026 20:04

This is absolutely necessary. Keir Starmer shouldnt have backed down the last time. But now with the current situation with Russia drastic steps need to be taken. We simply can't afford to sustain the current benefits bill with the armed forces so depleted. The money is needed to increase defence.

That’s awfully kind of you to volunteer to give up your UK pension (now, or when the time comes) to buy some repairs to the Type 42 destroyers.

Fluffyowl00 · 14/06/2026 21:48

Blightfitting · 14/06/2026 20:33

That's a brilliant suggestion. I'm amazed nobody's thought of it before.

Oooh. I know- why don’t we sort of ‘privatise’ schools? They’ll be more efficient than local authorities and cheaper to run. We can wash our hands of the whole thing. We could even allow them to be accountable to a board of governors who can be anyone at all. What could possibly go wrong?

rememberingthem · 14/06/2026 21:48

Darragon · 14/06/2026 20:19

The benefits system in the UK is totally mad. People have got used to money being thrown at them while they stay persistently underemployed on part time hours and feel like they're entitled to do so because they have kids (or, more recently, dogs 🙄). The economy has inflated itself to fit what people are earning/being topped up by benefits, just like rental standards have inflated rent prices and now everyone's complaining at the cost of accommodation. That's the bit people don't understand when they go on about how "employers need to pay more" the minimum wage in this country is pure gold in the first place! The whole benefits thing is ridiculous and needs deleting and starting again. The country doesn't owe anyone a living, people need to cut their cloth. And ironically the low salaries in the military mean that a single parent in the military these days would likely be better off working part time in B+Q and claiming benefits. Make it make sense.

Absolutely spot on

scaredsillyabout · 14/06/2026 21:49

BIossomtoes · 14/06/2026 21:35

There’s a vast amount of untaxed wealth. Profits from money invested on the stock market don’t attract tax unless or until the shares are converted to cash. The same goes for property investment.

Which will have been bought with earned income that was taxed, or an inheritance that was taxed.

KateSixer · 14/06/2026 21:49

Anyahyacinth · 14/06/2026 21:30

This thread is for simplistics who didn't notice a trillionaire being created this week ...let's fight amongst ourselves whilst wealth is stolen from our societies for the benefit of the very few and let's fund their resources wars too 🤦‍♀️

Pathetic

I'd be interested for you to tell me who you think Musk has stolen his wealth from?

TheAutumnCrow · 14/06/2026 21:50

Fluffyowl00 · 14/06/2026 21:48

Oooh. I know- why don’t we sort of ‘privatise’ schools? They’ll be more efficient than local authorities and cheaper to run. We can wash our hands of the whole thing. We could even allow them to be accountable to a board of governors who can be anyone at all. What could possibly go wrong?

With ‘executive heads’ and ‘consultant directors’ who are all on £200k and former LEA officers!

Kirbert2 · 14/06/2026 21:50

youalright · 14/06/2026 21:45

There is no way someone from the dwp told you to quit your job.

I find it hard to believe too.

My child was in hospital and the DWP lady was still telling me to 'just do a few hours of cleaning'.

TeakOil · 14/06/2026 21:51

CharlotteStreetW1 · 14/06/2026 20:30

They could cut public sector waste for starters.

My Conservative led LA have cut millions year on year for the last eight years.

Public services cut to the bone, offices sold off.

What do you suggest is cut to save even more?

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 14/06/2026 21:51

Pickledonion1999 · 14/06/2026 21:39

I think it's only 15 hours a week they get.

Only 15 hours of free childcare when they don’t work?! How absolutely terrible for them!

Pickledonion1999 · 14/06/2026 21:51

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 14/06/2026 21:51

Only 15 hours of free childcare when they don’t work?! How absolutely terrible for them!

As has been explained it is for the benefit of the children not the parents.

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 21:51

Benefits should be a safety net for the majority of people. People who are severely disabled and completely unable to work should be supported.

State pension needs to be means tested with the option of the state recovering funds from the estate after a person passes upto the amount paid out.

We should be encouraging private pension schemes with more tax breaks.

Social housing should be just that it shouldn't be that a person can stay in a large family home once their family has grown and left home.

Dla shouldn't be payable to children ten and under apart from those children with the most severe disabilities; remove lower rates. Remove the lower rates of pip too.

We should bring the two child benefit cap back. People on benefits shouldn't have the option of large families when working families don't. We shouldn't be encoraging having children and raising them in povety.

Education: we need different types of schools so that children/ yp have choices eg at 11 they don't need to go to high school with the aim of sitting gcse's, they could go to a trade school where they would have to take basic English and Maths but learn mechanics, plumbing, teaching assistant, hairdressing etc qualifications.

TheFairyCaravan · 14/06/2026 21:52

Thismountain · 14/06/2026 20:51

Come on, admit how much rent a single parent pays the MOD compared to how much they would pay BTLer? They absolutely would be worse off losing their nearly free houses

Piss off with your “nearly free houses”. The rent on married quarters is subsidised, and goes up each year, because people in the armed forces don’t have the choice about where they live.

When I last lived in quarters I had a 30+ year old kitchen, an even older bathroom, holes in the roofing felt so you could see daylight through it, the heating didn’t work properly and it didn’t meet the decent homes standard. The service person is classed as a license holder, not a tenant so they don’t have the same rights either.

DS1 lives in the mess on a rat infested camp. They’re in the barrack blocks and soldiers have had to move out of their rooms. He counted 25 rats come out of a drain in about 5 minutes the other day. It’s bloody disgraceful. If that was any other part of society there’d be hell to pay. But it’s the army so they’re supposed to get on with it.

Kirbert2 · 14/06/2026 21:52

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 14/06/2026 21:51

Only 15 hours of free childcare when they don’t work?! How absolutely terrible for them!

The intention is early years education for the children as studies have shown it improves their starting point in Reception for disadvantaged children more in line with their peers.

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 14/06/2026 21:54

Pickledonion1999 · 14/06/2026 21:51

As has been explained it is for the benefit of the children not the parents.

Edited

So it’s acknowledged their parents are either harmful, negligent or just rubbish, so the answer is to not make them acknowledge they have responsibility or help them take responsibility?

Blightfitting · 14/06/2026 21:54

scaredsillyabout · 14/06/2026 21:49

Which will have been bought with earned income that was taxed, or an inheritance that was taxed.

Every time we buy anything we pay VAT despite paying for it through income that's already been taxed!

ALL income generated through whatever means should result in a tax liability of some kind, since it was accrued in a society that functions as a result of government existing. The only question is about proportion. Currently we levy a higher tax charge in income earned through work than acquired through either investment return or capital gains. Seems perverse to me.

And inheritances aren't taxed at all. The estates of dead people are taxed. I know it's a technicality but it's important to get it right. And regardless, most estates aren't actually taxed. My parents could leave me £1m and neither the estate nor I would pay a penny of tax on it. Yet if I was to earn £1m through working I'd pay half back in tax. Insane.

Bushmillsbabe · 14/06/2026 21:54

caringcarer · 14/06/2026 20:27

There was simply no need to give UC claimants an above inflation benefit increase. No need to remove 2 child cap. Pensions could drop down to double lock instead of triple lock and PIP should be tightened to only pay money to most disabled and those with ADHD should not get money and those with anxiety or mild depression should be given counselling not money. Bad backs should have scan evidence to claim money. They could up the number of points needed to get higher allowance from 12 to 18. Child benefit should be limited to family income of less than £60k to claim. It shouldn't all be taken from 1 benefit but spread across all benefits and if a person claims pip they shouldn't be given double credit by giving them disability credit on UC as they have PIP for their disability. Carers Allowance is already so low I don't think that can be reduced.

You do know there is minimal correlation between back pain and scan results. I remember reading a study whilst at uni (physio) - they did scans of 100 people 50 with chronic severe back pain and 50 without any issues. The scans were shown to ortho consultants and they were asked to identify which 50 people had back pain. Of the 50 they identified, around 30 gad pain, and 20 didn't. So it was little better than flipping a coin!

Tiptopflipflop · 14/06/2026 21:55

In Ukraine volunteers assemble drones. People have parties with their friends at which they assemble drones.

I know it would never happen here, but I have visions of Job Centres being used for jobseekers to assemble drones. Probably a more efficient use of their time than having to do 30 hours or whatever it is of jobseeking a week in areas where there are no jobs that are suitable for them. Keep the benefits, increase the number if drones, which seem to be increasingly dominating modern warfare anyway.

Passingthrough123 · 14/06/2026 21:56

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/06/2026 20:21

Yep lets stop all the state pensions - that would be a 146 billion quid saving.

I don't know what you're going to do with loads of starving homeless pensioners but they're at the end of their useful life anyway, there's no way to get them back into work so probably just leave them in the streets.

I am sure you were thinking of cutting the payments to disabled people out of work or in, claiming PIP, UC or indeed both - but that represents a much lower saving and a much higher cost as they'll linger on a lot longer, look really awful cluttering up the streets and blocking beds in hospitals. It's really not the saving you think it will be and, quite a lot of them are working and taxpayers.

This. ^

The pension welfare bill is double the amount spent on UC, child benefit and income supportcombined. But you don't mean cutting that, do you? You mean taking money from those pesky scoundrels who don't work and spend all day with their trotters up watching Sky TV while chain-smoking fags. 🙄

youalright · 14/06/2026 21:56

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 21:51

Benefits should be a safety net for the majority of people. People who are severely disabled and completely unable to work should be supported.

State pension needs to be means tested with the option of the state recovering funds from the estate after a person passes upto the amount paid out.

We should be encouraging private pension schemes with more tax breaks.

Social housing should be just that it shouldn't be that a person can stay in a large family home once their family has grown and left home.

Dla shouldn't be payable to children ten and under apart from those children with the most severe disabilities; remove lower rates. Remove the lower rates of pip too.

We should bring the two child benefit cap back. People on benefits shouldn't have the option of large families when working families don't. We shouldn't be encoraging having children and raising them in povety.

Education: we need different types of schools so that children/ yp have choices eg at 11 they don't need to go to high school with the aim of sitting gcse's, they could go to a trade school where they would have to take basic English and Maths but learn mechanics, plumbing, teaching assistant, hairdressing etc qualifications.

Im severely disabled and work part time as i can at this point although that may change in the future. I get the highest rate of pip as being disabled is incredibly expensive. So as I can work part time I shouldn't get help so I either need to quit my job or work full time which I can't do. Not everyone fits into your perfect little boxes

RafaistheKingofClay · 14/06/2026 21:57

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 14/06/2026 21:51

Only 15 hours of free childcare when they don’t work?! How absolutely terrible for them!

It’s not childcare it’s education. Do you think we should chuck the children of people who aren’t working out of school too?

And it’s there for a very good reason unless you want to be increasing spending by much more down the line.

KateSixer · 14/06/2026 21:58

TeakOil · 14/06/2026 21:51

My Conservative led LA have cut millions year on year for the last eight years.

Public services cut to the bone, offices sold off.

What do you suggest is cut to save even more?

I was going to make a suggestion but I had another thought.

Instead I suggest that every time you meet a public sector employee in the course of your day who does not work in front line services ask them what they did today.

And then over time you'll get an impression of how huge, unproductive and reduceable it is if we had the will to do it.