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To think benefits need to be cut to fund increased spending on defence

501 replies

Viviennemary · 14/06/2026 20:04

This is absolutely necessary. Keir Starmer shouldnt have backed down the last time. But now with the current situation with Russia drastic steps need to be taken. We simply can't afford to sustain the current benefits bill with the armed forces so depleted. The money is needed to increase defence.

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EmmaOvary · 14/06/2026 20:56

And while you were looking that way, Elon just became the world’s first trillionnaire. What a time to be alive.

Wednesday505 · 14/06/2026 20:56

shutmumsclub · 14/06/2026 20:44

It doesn't bascislly cover your childcare.

You get a housing element, a adult person element, child element and a childcare element.

All those elements put together, minus your income....... And that's free money

You clearly have no idea.

Lemonfrost · 14/06/2026 20:57

BIossomtoes · 14/06/2026 20:54

Fine. Give us our decades of NI contributions back then.

Doesn't work that way, as you well know.

Corianda · 14/06/2026 20:57

We need to make cuts all over - pensions. Housing benefit -surely the more you pay the more the landlord asks, receivers of benefits need reassessed. Taxis to take children to school - if there is a car in the household surely a parent has the responsibility. One child per taxi !?!

BigYellowBus · 14/06/2026 20:57

wonderstuff · 14/06/2026 20:05

Or we could make Amazon and Starbucks pay their fair share of taxes?

This

shutmumsclub · 14/06/2026 20:58

Wednesday505 · 14/06/2026 20:56

You clearly have no idea.

No idea about free money?

No I don't get any.

Wish I could....but I work and pay for everything like Shaz does and it's taken from my payslip to hers...

shutmumsclub · 14/06/2026 20:59

Corianda · 14/06/2026 20:57

We need to make cuts all over - pensions. Housing benefit -surely the more you pay the more the landlord asks, receivers of benefits need reassessed. Taxis to take children to school - if there is a car in the household surely a parent has the responsibility. One child per taxi !?!

It's at a max amount.

The issue is lots of benefit fraud by the 25%

shutmumsclub · 14/06/2026 21:00

Sgurrdubh · 14/06/2026 20:56

Before cutting benefits, how about investing in more tax inspectors, make sure that companies are paying as they should.

Why are offshore accounts allowed!?

Equalise tax from passive or unearned wealth with income tax.

Assess how much profit has been on the back of a company’s employees having to have low wages topped up by benefits. With a view to reclaiming it (nothing wrong with profit of course but how much is this costing in benefits?).

Glad you aren't in charge.

Offshore accounts are allowed because why not.

You do realise that money paid into a UK company is delacired?

Sgurrdubh · 14/06/2026 21:00

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 14/06/2026 20:41

Need to stop free childcare/nursery hours for people who do not work

Does that really happen?

Pickledonion1999 · 14/06/2026 21:02

caringcarer · 14/06/2026 20:27

There was simply no need to give UC claimants an above inflation benefit increase. No need to remove 2 child cap. Pensions could drop down to double lock instead of triple lock and PIP should be tightened to only pay money to most disabled and those with ADHD should not get money and those with anxiety or mild depression should be given counselling not money. Bad backs should have scan evidence to claim money. They could up the number of points needed to get higher allowance from 12 to 18. Child benefit should be limited to family income of less than £60k to claim. It shouldn't all be taken from 1 benefit but spread across all benefits and if a person claims pip they shouldn't be given double credit by giving them disability credit on UC as they have PIP for their disability. Carers Allowance is already so low I don't think that can be reduced.

Yet it's ok for you to claim PIP whilst renting out 12 buy to let properties ? I say means test PIP .

Nat6999 · 14/06/2026 21:03

CharlotteStreetW1 · 14/06/2026 20:30

They could cut public sector waste for starters.

Put all NHS under one management board, cut all the executives that are paid but don't affect patient outcomes. Bring all schools back under council control & get rid of the overpaid executives heads.

Wednesday505 · 14/06/2026 21:04

shutmumsclub · 14/06/2026 20:58

No idea about free money?

No I don't get any.

Wish I could....but I work and pay for everything like Shaz does and it's taken from my payslip to hers...

Well done for working, you realise that many people work and have benefits, perhaps that should be taken away from them to make people like you feel better.

Kirbert2 · 14/06/2026 21:04

Corianda · 14/06/2026 20:57

We need to make cuts all over - pensions. Housing benefit -surely the more you pay the more the landlord asks, receivers of benefits need reassessed. Taxis to take children to school - if there is a car in the household surely a parent has the responsibility. One child per taxi !?!

I think a big issue with taxis is that most parents have more than 1 child and they can't physically drive their SEND child potentially miles to the SEN school when they also have at least 1 more child to get to school.

Transport can also be easier for the school to manage a large number of SEND children at drop offs and pick ups too, especially if several are known to elope rather than parents dropping off in dribs and drabs. Safety is important too.

Sgurrdubh · 14/06/2026 21:05

MeridaBrave · 14/06/2026 20:55

In theory yes but any increase to the minimum wage will likely lead to more unemployment

Why can’t the companies that make a lot of profit just make slightly less?

Pickledonion1999 · 14/06/2026 21:06

Sgurrdubh · 14/06/2026 21:00

Does that really happen?

All kids get the early years education hours regardless of whether parents work , but it is meant to help kids who wouldn't otherwise go to a nursery.

Kirbert2 · 14/06/2026 21:06

Sgurrdubh · 14/06/2026 21:00

Does that really happen?

Studies show that free nursery hours can help disadvantaged children start school more in line with their peers as opposed to behind them.

It is to benefit the children, not the parents.

BIossomtoes · 14/06/2026 21:07

Lemonfrost · 14/06/2026 20:57

Doesn't work that way, as you well know.

I know there isn’t a pot with my name on it. There is, however, a social contract that I signed up to when I started work millennia ago that I would receive a state pension at the end of my working life. When a contract is broken compensation is paid.

youalright · 14/06/2026 21:09

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 14/06/2026 20:41

Need to stop free childcare/nursery hours for people who do not work

Really bad idea. Most people on benefits who don't work is due to disability or being carers kids need a break from this environment its not always pleasant the reality of severe disability.

SapphOhNo · 14/06/2026 21:11

Start with the triple lock?

Means test pensions and other benefits

Tax wealth not just wages.

Remove tax evasion and avoidance. Harsh fines.

ThisOliveKoala · 14/06/2026 21:12

Viviennemary · 14/06/2026 20:04

This is absolutely necessary. Keir Starmer shouldnt have backed down the last time. But now with the current situation with Russia drastic steps need to be taken. We simply can't afford to sustain the current benefits bill with the armed forces so depleted. The money is needed to increase defence.

The benefits bill is not the issue it’s funding other countries wars & you do know the biggest benefits claimants family are the RF, nearly 150ml a year to people who have private businesses and are worth billions.

The main thing with benefits is the majority of the money does come back to the govt.

We need to tax wealth not income!

A one off 1% wealth tax would balance the books.

Sgurrdubh · 14/06/2026 21:14

Kirbert2 · 14/06/2026 21:06

Studies show that free nursery hours can help disadvantaged children start school more in line with their peers as opposed to behind them.

It is to benefit the children, not the parents.

Thank you, I was just curious. Always good to learn something! I can see the value.

HydenSeek · 14/06/2026 21:18

Darragon · 14/06/2026 20:19

The benefits system in the UK is totally mad. People have got used to money being thrown at them while they stay persistently underemployed on part time hours and feel like they're entitled to do so because they have kids (or, more recently, dogs 🙄). The economy has inflated itself to fit what people are earning/being topped up by benefits, just like rental standards have inflated rent prices and now everyone's complaining at the cost of accommodation. That's the bit people don't understand when they go on about how "employers need to pay more" the minimum wage in this country is pure gold in the first place! The whole benefits thing is ridiculous and needs deleting and starting again. The country doesn't owe anyone a living, people need to cut their cloth. And ironically the low salaries in the military mean that a single parent in the military these days would likely be better off working part time in B+Q and claiming benefits. Make it make sense.

Ok... But I'm a full time registered nurse getting topped up with benefits because I obviously couldn't forsee that my kids' dad would walk out. Can you please advise which of my kids I should ask to crawl back inside so I can 'cut my cloth' as you put it? Is it a last in first out thing, or should I be assessing them based on earning potential in the future and eliminating the one most likely to be a financial burden on society, and if so do I do that based on their own income as an adult, or their likelihood to procreate and produce additional financial burden?

Or of course I could move north so that COL is cheaper, except then I'd have no family to help with childcare, so I either wouldn't be able to work, or would need support to fund childcare, to enable me to work... Hmm, I'm seeing a problem with this plan of yours...

Sgurrdubh · 14/06/2026 21:20

For those of you who say cut pensions, stop the triple lock, do you think the uk state pension level is ok? So let’s get rid of the triple lock which is meant gradually to bring the state pension to a realistic level, and start right now with increasing pensions to a living “wage” and go from there.

Larrythecatforpm · 14/06/2026 21:24

Sgurrdubh · 14/06/2026 21:20

For those of you who say cut pensions, stop the triple lock, do you think the uk state pension level is ok? So let’s get rid of the triple lock which is meant gradually to bring the state pension to a realistic level, and start right now with increasing pensions to a living “wage” and go from there.

The pension bill makes up the majority of welfare bill. Cutting the other benefits will only make a dent in what they need.
Unfortunately state pension is no longer substanable and it must be reformed.

Anyahyacinth · 14/06/2026 21:25

Are yiou going to tell the pensioners for him OP?

Tax the rich, prepare for climate change and stop fighting pointless wars