Boris, Farage and Gove re Brexit-“Never have so few done so much damage to so many with so little ability to execute what they lied about.”

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-heseltine-farage-boris-johnson-uk-eu-b2994030.html

All so silent. They should hang their heads in shame, surely be publicly be made to take ownership for what they did and be held to account.Cowards, the lot of them.

And surely it’s time we tried to right the wrongs of Brexit.

Do Remaoners ever get tired of going on about Brexit, and insulting people who have committed the heinous sin by having different political opinions from them?
Obviously not.

6 to 8% damage to GDP because of Brexit

Imports and exports down 15%

It was a mistake, it is a mistake, and will always be a mistake.

We've put economic sanctions on ourselves. Pure foolishness.

We've seen the damage Brexit has done. Do you accept that it's been damaging? If not, why not?

Russia's hand in this was no secret. They continue to fund the traitors and the thick folk of the UK continue to fall for it.

Boris Johnson should be tried for treason for suspending Parliament unlawfully. Along with Jacob Rees-Mogg who went to the Queen to get it approved.

I would have more respect for those who voted Leave if they acknowledged it has not brought what they expected. It has not reduced migration, for example.

We've seen the damage Brexit has done. Do you accept that it's been damaging? If not, why not?
And Covid, and the war in Ukraine. Let it go, for god's sake. It's happened. What do you want to happen, grovel to the EU to let us in? And, if (enourmous if) they did, go ahead (political suicide).

I would have more respect for those who voted Leave if they acknowledged it has not brought what they expected. It has not reduced migration, for example.
Do you think it matters one iota how much respect you have for a complete stranger?

It’s funny, I thought it was the majority of the nation, who voted to leave the EU, not one man who has never been in a government position to vote to give the nation the vote or implement the vote properly,

I think the problem here is the concept of 'undoing the damage' or 'reversing brexshit'.

Regaining the terms we had previously is pretty much an impossibility. Reversing the economic damage is definitely an impossibility.

I was very firmly a remainer, but we should really be concentrating our efforts on what we should do now rather than what we should have done then. We did it. It's done. We can't undo it. We just need to get on with dealing with the fallout and not making similar mistakes again.

Well Brexit wouldn’t have happened if Blair hadn’t opened the doors to east Europeans
the 200-300,000 a year started then

Nice attempt at deflection

But we both know that Brexit has been a disaster for the UK economically and politically

Has everyone forgotten about the biggest arsehole of all Dominic Cummings ?

But we both know that Brexit has been a disaster for the UK economically and politically
And?
What do you want from this? You know, something actually acheivable?

I think the trouble was that the idea of Brexit was so woolly that people voted for whatever hoped it would be. Reducing migration, having all the non-whites kicked out, no more EU migrants taking our jobs, England being the ruler of the Empire again, making our own laws instead of being beholden to the EU etc etc.

It was like saying to a group of friends ‘let’s go on holiday together’ when I expect 2 weeks on a beach, Susan wants 3 days looking round museums, Anne wants a week skiing and Laura wants a month touring Scotland in a camper van.

The fact that Brexit has been a shitshow that didn’t have any benefits is no surprise and all the guilty parties just blame the fact that it wasn’t the Brexit that they said it would be, so not their fault.

I want it to be widely acknowledged that Brexit has been harmful, for people to see that Farage is a charlatan, and to not consider voting for his hateful party.

What do you want from defending Brexit and trying to deflect from discussions of the harms it's caused.

Anyone who ever trusted Boris the omnish*gger about anything is an idiot tbh

What do you want from defending Brexit and trying to deflect from discussions of the harms it's caused.
Have i defended Brexit? Show me the post where i've done that.
And most of the 'discussion' is posters flailing around being as rude as they can about brexit voters. It's not exactly high- level is it?
It must be very hard for some posters to be up against the fact that the UK will never return to the EU, but it's frankly pathetic that they have to resort to insults.

I want it to be widely acknowledged that Brexit has been harmful, for people to see that Farage is a charlatan, and to not consider voting for his hateful party.
And calling people stupid/racist is not the right way to get them to change their vote. I'd have thought that people would have worked that out by now.

You tried to deflect from the harms

That's defending it.

I have not called Brexit voters anything rude, just that Brexit is a mistake and Farage is a charlatan.

The UK may never go back into the EU, but a closer relationship in order to mitigate the harms would be great.

Where did I call people racist or thick?

All you have to do is scroll back to see the level of abuse.
And deflection isn't pointing out that the issue is pretty much a dead duck now.

I dont understand youre point about defending ourselves against the entire world military wise.... we are part of NATO, this is nothing to do with the EU. It would be us and another 31 countries. We wouldnt be alone, defenseless

It could do though. The fact that government doesn't want to, isn't Brexit's fault.

You are making the EU sound like it was just about trade and freedom of movement. The UK voted Leave because it spawned into a monothlic entity. We had opted out on areas such as Schagen, joining the euro, bits if the Lisbon Treaty pre Brexit. It was only ever going in onr direction towards the end.

@Sausagenbacon, Brexit was evidently a monumental error - a significant act of national self harm, which has left our nation considerably poorer than we would have otherwise been. As indeed most economists warned that it would before the referendum.

I'm interested in understanding why you seem so eager to brush this monumental fuck-up under the carpet. As a nation, do you not think it is important for us to collectively reflect on what went so horribly wrong and how so many of the electorate were manipulated into voting against their own interests? Would it not make more sense for the nation to learn from its mistakes so that the electorate can make better decisions in the future?

Why are you so eager to move on and stop talking about it?