To let you know the axe and machete girl WAS defending herself against her now convicted attacker.

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A lot of posters here need to see the conclusion of this story about the clearly terrified child, that so many people were quick to be awful about. You all owe this extremely vulnerable child you participated in the defamation of, a massive fucking apology. I'm genuinely so angry about how so many grown women denigrated a hurt and scared child. Her fear was so evident in her voice and demeanor and so many mothers here were quick to throw her under a bus. Well you've all been proven wrong now, with the man she was trying to defend herself from found guilty of assault.

Honestly, just think about what you people did, defending a man who assaulted a child just because she was of a class you deem beneath you. I hope you're very, very ashamed and take stock before more girls like her suffer worse.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/bulgarian-man-guilty-of-assaulting-12-year-old-girl/a/156878498.html

I am genuinely staggered that we got this far into the conversation before you finally said the problem is migrants generally.

Class and background isn’t irrelevant. Had you grown up in an environment like this girls, you would know that.

Her background doesn’t make her carrying weapons acceptable, as we’ve said many times now, but unless you have walked her streets and lived in her environment you have absolutely no idea how that can affect your decision making, cultural experience or attitude to conflict. Zero.

No, probably not. We know that the people who are more likely to commit violent crime have more common traits such as poor educational attainment and poverty related issues. If the poorest, least educated people in an area are from X background, then they are going to seem as if they are the most violent group.

Either way, should we tell Black boys to arm themselves with knives and guns in defense?

Do you feel the same way about little boys who feel the need to carry knives to protect themselves.

Police cannot protect them.

Could that be because members of the community insisted stop and search initiatives were racist because they searched more blacks even though it’s mostly them statistically. What more can the police do when their hands are once again tied by not wanting to seem racist

Police believed him because there was video evidence from his phone of the girl holding up weapons.

Once the CCTV footage came to light it showed a completely different side to events.

I don't think this is an example of two-tier policing is it? Just an evolving understanding of events as more evidence was pieced together.

Please dont say "Blacks", it seems incredibly racist. We are people. Please call us Black people.

You're still not answering the question, should I tell my Black son to carry a knife or gun to protect himself against murder since he is of the prime demographic of knife crime victims?

How’d I have zero idea when I had people chasing me around and beating the shit out of me from age 11 up to 15? It’s you who has no idea otherwise you wouldn’t be sat here insisting the useless police could of done anything

So they should be able to carry knives to
protect themselves which is your argument? If you feel you are in danger wandering the street it’s fine to have an axe and a knife on your person?

And why are you banging on about London which is nowhere near Dundee?

Hamza Yusuf called it "far right bullshit".

Oh, yes, so he did;

Humza Yousaf
@ HumzaYousaf
"a Bulgarian couple were approached by youths in St Ann Lane, Dundee, on Saturday 23 August" But Stephen-Yaxley Lennon and his racist far-right mob told me migrants tried to sexually assault the girls? Who would have thought a convicted fraudster & liar was talking utter mince?
7:13 PM · Aug 27, 2025

Agreed, there will be loads of reasons.

If I was a kid on an estate in London (I've lived on some as a young adult), it would seem obvious to carry a knife, I probably would. Same as the Scottish girl. Then there are more knives and more knife crime, a fist fight is now a knife fight, total viscious circle.

I personally think you should be allowed to carry pepper spray. I mean I’m a woman who finishes work at 11 pm and has to walk home so yeah big fan of pepper spray which is apparently illegal now

So you think any bullied boy or girl is fine to carry a knife and an axe?

You have no idea what it’s like growing up in an environment where carrying a weapon is normalised, because you didn’t.

You may have taken a knife out in an effort to protect yourself, but you didn’t live with the cultural expectation that you’d do that. You didn’t live in a world where the kids outside of the corner shop might’ve had a gun. I’m assuming the police didn’t patrol your school playground.

That doesn’t remove your experience, it makes it not the same. Anything middle class cannot be the same as the girl we’re talking about in this case experiences.

Then there are more knives and more knife crime, a fist fight is now a knife fight, total viscous circle.

Which is exactly why I oppose any child carrying a knife and an axe on their person.

We are strangers on the internet don’t tell me what I do and don’t know. There were other kids that had knives mainly the boys and my bullies were all girls

I don't know. When I moved into my flat on a South London estate, the first day walking to the bus stop I had to walk past a group of young lads, hoods up, bandanas over their faces (this was 20 years ago before face coverings were so popular). I felt at the very least something would be shouted and prepared myself for that. 2 broke off from the group and approached me with arms raised in a stabbing motion. It was scary. If I grew up there and had to face that shit every day, I might well have decided to carry an axe.

Being bullied by middle class kids in your nice middle class town is nothing like knowing what it’s like living in a poor area and choosing not to arm yourself with a knife or a hatchet when you leave the house.

Im just saying I did because what else could I of done? The police would do nothing and they knew where I lived, where my best friend lived etc.

Thats what I’m saying what do posters think this little girl could have done? Is she just meant to let him attack her?

You get your teeth knocked out as a teenager?

No but I believe you’ve mentioned it half a dozen times….

Yeah so you’ve got no idea what it’s like getting attacked every time you leave your house

This but the posters here don't want to engage in that because it detracts from the demonisation of a child.

You were under direct threat of literal physical violence then from the same bullies each time?

Not the same as the girl’s situation is it?

Is it not? When she’s getting followed round by a grown man threatening her? I’m again asking what else you think she should have done?

Well let's start from the beginning of the story as we know it.
Why did she go out with the knife and hatchet before she'd encountered the man?

She never claimed once in court that the man had harassed her before this encounter?

And no, before you try to leap on to my comment, I don't agree with grown men shouting comments to young girls, I have a daughter myself.