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To not support England?!

463 replies

Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 10:12

Live and work in England. Not English. My team didn’t qualify for the World Cup so I’m supporting Scotland! Lobe a plucky underdog, have some Scots heritage ( and some English to be fair) plus I NEVER support English sports teams. EVER.
Football has inevitably come up in the office and several colleagues are generally pissed off that I’m not supporting England, insist I should be etc etc. Stupidly I mentioned that I never support England … did not gone down well.
If you live here then you should etc etc

YANBU - support who you like!
YABU - you ingrate, you live in the country you should support the national team.

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Goditsmemargaret · 11/06/2026 17:45

Goditsmemargaret · 11/06/2026 17:43

I need to know what this is about.

Omg I'm so so so slow. I was thinking washing product!!!

Yes we certainly do, the entire evening schedule was set around the soaps for many many years, decades even.

DontBuyAnotherBook · 11/06/2026 17:50

Goditsmemargaret · 11/06/2026 17:45

Omg I'm so so so slow. I was thinking washing product!!!

Yes we certainly do, the entire evening schedule was set around the soaps for many many years, decades even.

I nearly put soap operas and then thought no one has said that in forty years.

Muffsies · 11/06/2026 17:50

So do all the people in your office support the local football team, regardless of where they came from? If you came from Liverpool but you live in Oxford, would you have to support Oxford? I don't think so!

43andnotgettinganyyounger · 11/06/2026 18:10

Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 16:42

Wow, this thread to an unexpected turn or two …

I think you know exactly what you were doing when you posted …

Goditsmemargaret · 11/06/2026 18:17

43andnotgettinganyyounger · 11/06/2026 18:10

I think you know exactly what you were doing when you posted …

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

She was probably optimistic that it would be taken in the intended spirit.

Anyway OP, I would handle your work situation by adopting a stricken expression and whispering "It's against my religion to cheer for England"

Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 18:19

Goditsmemargaret · 11/06/2026 18:17

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

She was probably optimistic that it would be taken in the intended spirit.

Anyway OP, I would handle your work situation by adopting a stricken expression and whispering "It's against my religion to cheer for England"

Honestly, it sort of is. I could get myself excommunicated…

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JustAnotherWhinger · 11/06/2026 18:22

Ablondiebutagoody · 11/06/2026 10:23

Bit weird to live in a place you dislike but that's your problem. I wouldn't care who you support.

When I have lived abroad, I have found myself supporting the local team out of affinity with my friends/colleagues, enjoying them being happy and liking the general buzz on the streets.

Not supporting the England football team doesn’t remotely mean the OP doesn’t like England to live in. Thats just ridiculous.

gingercat02 · 11/06/2026 18:23

Me too OP. NI by birth, happily support either Irish team. Lived in England for 35 years never supported them in anything. DS English DH Scottish, don't support them either.

Goditsmemargaret · 11/06/2026 18:26

Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 18:19

Honestly, it sort of is. I could get myself excommunicated…

And that's fair enough.

Goditsmemargaret · 11/06/2026 18:34

I remember booking a holiday abroad not realising there was an England game on against the country we would be in during the trip. It was the Euros I think; Ireland hadn't even qualified. DH (English) said we should go to watch it in the pub. I was slightly worried; what if he was the only English person, would the atmosphere be ok, especially as we'd have our DC with us.

He shrugged off my concerns telling me I had nothing to worry about, the local supporters would be absolutely fine. We watched it in the hotel bar and he was right; they applauded their own team politely and nodded at him when England got a goal. All very civilised and sporting. He gave me a 'I told you so' look.

Then at half time the door of the bar opened and a gang trooped in talking loudly in unmistakeable Irish accents. DH looked at me again and raised his eyebrows 'Uh-oh'.

TheWineoftheChicken · 11/06/2026 18:36

Support whoever you want. I couldn’t care less who random colleagues support. I guess it’s the announcing that you never support England to the office that pissed them off, but I’m guessing you partly said it for a reaction so you can’t be surprised that you got one!

Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 19:02

‘they applauded their own team politely and nodded at him when England got a goal. All very civilised and sporting. He gave me a 'I told you so' look.’

I’ll take things that never happened for 500 🤣 famously fans supporting their national football team in major international finals generally politely clap their team while giving kudos to the opposition outplaying them.
AND THEN the Irish walked in… what was next? Bar fights? Did they throw chairs around? Presumably that little bit was thrown into the end of your tall tale because you’ve decided I must be Irish.
Cool story bro!

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GlomOfNit · 11/06/2026 19:03

Imanautumn · 11/06/2026 10:16

Support who you want but seems deliberately inflammatory to announce you never support England to a group of England fans.

Why assume that an officeful of people in England are England fans, or indeed, care about football?

Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 19:14

GlomOfNit · 11/06/2026 19:03

Why assume that an officeful of people in England are England fans, or indeed, care about football?

Edited

True. It was mostly about the sweepstakes TBH.

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GlomOfNit · 11/06/2026 19:14

LizardyGuts · 11/06/2026 10:16

Depends how long you've lived in England I suppose. Two years - it's normal that your outlook is still international. Twenty years - a bit unusual that you don't want to support the national team of the country you have made home (as well as your country of origin if applicable).

But 'unusual' is your choice, and shouldn't be viewed as some kind of personal or national insult by others.

Ah yes, the Norman Tebbitt Index of Englishness: would you support England at cricket - or the Other Chaps? Grin

Sorry, I always tend to assume anyone trotting that one out is a bit racist.

I'm British but have a father who was born elsewhere. I'm not remotely bothered about footy but on occasion I do watch an international competition and generally shout for my dad's (and my joint) country of origin. We even have a flag, somewhere ...

Goditsmemargaret · 11/06/2026 19:39

Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 19:02

‘they applauded their own team politely and nodded at him when England got a goal. All very civilised and sporting. He gave me a 'I told you so' look.’

I’ll take things that never happened for 500 🤣 famously fans supporting their national football team in major international finals generally politely clap their team while giving kudos to the opposition outplaying them.
AND THEN the Irish walked in… what was next? Bar fights? Did they throw chairs around? Presumably that little bit was thrown into the end of your tall tale because you’ve decided I must be Irish.
Cool story bro!

You'll be losing that 500! They were Dutch and VERY polite, he got no shit whatsoever... until the Irish (Dubs) came in and roared 'wanker' at him at every opportunity. He deserved it obviously.

IcedPurple · 11/06/2026 19:45

Goditsmemargaret · 11/06/2026 19:39

You'll be losing that 500! They were Dutch and VERY polite, he got no shit whatsoever... until the Irish (Dubs) came in and roared 'wanker' at him at every opportunity. He deserved it obviously.

They were Dutch and VERY polite,

Are you sure they were Dutch?

Goditsmemargaret · 11/06/2026 19:47

IcedPurple · 11/06/2026 19:45

They were Dutch and VERY polite,

Are you sure they were Dutch?

Oh...

We were at a holiday place. That's a good point actually.

Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 20:03

Goditsmemargaret · 11/06/2026 19:39

You'll be losing that 500! They were Dutch and VERY polite, he got no shit whatsoever... until the Irish (Dubs) came in and roared 'wanker' at him at every opportunity. He deserved it obviously.

course they did. Pick the one English guy amongst all those placid Dutch. Irish don’t tend to shout wanker BTW. There’s plenty of things they might say but that’s not anywhere near the top of the list.

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Harhar · 11/06/2026 20:12

The goader and become the goadee!

Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 20:14

IcedPurple · 11/06/2026 19:45

They were Dutch and VERY polite,

Are you sure they were Dutch?

Course they were, sitting there quietly while their team lost 2-1 in the semis and got knocked out by England. I bet they went and hugged OPs husband and bought him and drink then gave him the bumps while shouting ‘huzzar!’ 😜

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Ndd1356387 · 11/06/2026 20:15

Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 10:12

Live and work in England. Not English. My team didn’t qualify for the World Cup so I’m supporting Scotland! Lobe a plucky underdog, have some Scots heritage ( and some English to be fair) plus I NEVER support English sports teams. EVER.
Football has inevitably come up in the office and several colleagues are generally pissed off that I’m not supporting England, insist I should be etc etc. Stupidly I mentioned that I never support England … did not gone down well.
If you live here then you should etc etc

YANBU - support who you like!
YABU - you ingrate, you live in the country you should support the national team.

What a joy you sound. As do all the team ‘haters’. People like to bleat that they don’t support England because there is some ridiculous culture of envy going on. We don’t have the same back to Scotland because we are not envious of their sports teams. Wonder why.

Goditsmemargaret · 11/06/2026 20:20

Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 20:03

course they did. Pick the one English guy amongst all those placid Dutch. Irish don’t tend to shout wanker BTW. There’s plenty of things they might say but that’s not anywhere near the top of the list.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'm afraid you are very much mistaken. Where are you from in Ireland?

LizardyGuts · 11/06/2026 21:02

GlomOfNit · 11/06/2026 19:14

Ah yes, the Norman Tebbitt Index of Englishness: would you support England at cricket - or the Other Chaps? Grin

Sorry, I always tend to assume anyone trotting that one out is a bit racist.

I'm British but have a father who was born elsewhere. I'm not remotely bothered about footy but on occasion I do watch an international competition and generally shout for my dad's (and my joint) country of origin. We even have a flag, somewhere ...

Ahh. I'm Scottish, actually, and have no idea who Norman Tebbit is. I just imagined moving to another country and guessed how long it might take me to start feeling 'at home' there. Nobody has ever called me racist before so that's new!

Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 21:07

Who IS Norman Tebbit?? Someone from
a 70s sitcom I’m assuming?

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