AIBU to think something significant needs to be done by the government to stop these horrific events occurring?

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'Afghan men 'fled UK in lorry after raping girl'

Mobile phone footage recovered from Safi's phone showed the men in the lorry laughing and gesticulating, which Hetherington said suggested they thought they "got away with it".

When they were found by French police in Calais on 3 December, they were returned to the UK.
Hetherington said the trio had no travel documents or identification and had given false names to French authorities.
After their real names were checked on police systems, they were arrested on suspicion of rape.
Sali, of St Werburghs, denies one count of human trafficking and two charges of rape.
Habibkheil, of Lockleaze, denies one count of human trafficking and one charge of rape.
Ahmadzai, of Redcliffe, denies one charge of rape and one charge of assault by penetration.
The 16-year-old also denied one charge of rape.
The trial continues.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx7rxj57zyo

None of this means the average UK citizen needs to suffer

They should all be held in secure accommodation until they are assessed . No roaming the streets or living in HMO communities . If they cannot prove their identity or country of origin they should automatically be refused asylum.

The average UK citizen doesn’t suffer because of this.

There are more white British men, so it stands to reason that more sexual assaults are perpetrated by them. What we need to understand is whether a disproportionate number of sexual assaults are perpetrated by asylum seekers, etc. whilst also tackling the issue as a whole.

Just someone else suffers. A person on the street in a horrific attack.

They can't bring their guns here

I’d like to see a fresh vote on the EU. I have absolutely no issue whatsoever with Eastern European/Ukranians settling here, they behave themselves and are respectful of our values.
id like to see 0 immigrants from Islamic countries whatsoever

Thing is some nations of the EU have given citizenship to those from such nations

No, but they are more used to violence than we are.

Compared to London, every single major city in the US has a significantly higher crime rate.

I think there would be more tolerance of immigration if they weren’t all young men . Where are the families , oh yes the women aren’t important.

I’d far rather an American than third world person

As of 2026, the murder rate in Central London is 1.1 per 100,000 people, which is significantly lower than New York’s murder rate of 2.8 per 100,000 people.

The murder rate in London is half that in New York. 97 murders total for 2025.

But yes, by all means continue to believe it's safer over there.🙄

Come off it.

It would be good if some of the same attention being given to these appalling murders could be given to the two women a week murdered in incidents of domestic violence in the UK.

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It absolutely would not have acted as a deterrent. And the reason I know that is because the stats confirm that it didn’t act as a deterrent pre Brexit, and it hasn’t acted as a deterrent for any of the countries still in the EU who take far more asylum seekers than the UK does. And yes, we have lost access to the database which told us who’d claimed asylum previously, but as that didn’t really work in our favour when we did have access to it, it can hardly be claimed all of a sudden that it would help us now. There are far higher numbers of people arriving on the Uk post Brexit and this must play into it Nope. Numbers started increasing several years pre Brexit, coinciding with increased British security measures in French ports and traffickers realising that it was easier, safer (for them), cheaper and far more profitable to get 70 people onto a boat on a deserted beach than it was to get a handful of people into a lorry over and over again until they made it through. You will find @EasternStandard and I trying to explain this on many immigration threads, although she does it far more politely than I do.

Also, how easy are you imagining it is to return someone to the first safe country they arrived in? More to the point, how easy are you imagining it is to determine the first country they arrived in? Do you think they make themselves known to the local police in each place they travel through? ‘Don’t mind us, we’re not stopping long’? And are you under the impression that a civil servant somewhere in Italy can give Greece a ring and say ‘Kalimera! I have a chap here who says he got off a boat from his non safe country onto your shore and we’d like to return him so you can deal with his asylum claim please’ and the Greeks just say ‘Sure, not a problem! No proof he came here first? That’s fine, don’t worry about any of that. Pop him on an EasyJet flight this afternoon with some more of that lovely ravioli you sent last time and we’ll be waiting for him’?

Also, to anyone banging on about doing checks to see if people have any convictions before we let them walk about the UK, how the fuck are you imagining we’d be able to do that? Look at some of the countries these people are travelling from. What power do you think western countries have to demand access to their judicial records, assuming any even exist? I can’t imagine Sudan is prioritising record keeping right now.

No one was saying this. Even though on a America thread a few posters said they felt NYC was safer than London.

Based on crime statistics compiled by federal agencies like the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program and the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), Black/African American individuals have the highest per capita rates of arrest for overall violent crime and homicide in the United States.

Get vocal about this. Tell your MP how you feel. We’re all guilty of sitting by watching the rot set in and take over, the country children of today live in will be unrecognisable with unchecked lawless behaviour.

And how exactly would you police that, knowing that if people from Islamic countries settle in EU countries and become EU citizens, they then have the exact same rights as citizens with any other religion from that country to enter the UK? And what about Turkey and Albania? Two majority Muslim countries who have both expressed a wish to join the EU. Do you think for one millisecond that the EU would go along with that if we were to rejoin?

Also, I presume you quite like having an NHS and any of the various other essential benefits that immigration brings to the UK?

I really think that people should be made to go on some kind of course before they’re allowed to vote.

I posted this on another thread but worth posting here too. Germany and the UK - not so different.

Germany is acknowledging the unspeakable
A pattern of criminality is shattering taboos
Andrew Hammel 2024

The Germany-wide statistics on sexual violence were sobering. An internal study by the German federal law enforcement agency, leaked to a Zurich newspaper, revealed that asylum-seekers have committed some 7,000 sexual assaults (ranging from groping to gang-rape ) between 2015 and 2023.

Although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021.

In 2023, there were 761 gang-rapes registered in Germany — almost two per day; 47.5 per cent of the suspects were foreigners. The frequency of such crimes — which were rare in Germany as late as the 1990s — has hovered between 600 and 800 per year for the past 7 years. The statistics go on for page after mind-numbing (or mind-boggling) page.

In spring 2024, Herbert Reul, Interior Minister of Germany’s most populous state(22 million inhabitants), Northern Rhine-Westphalia, said something remarkable: “We have a problem with non-German criminals.” What’s remarkable is not what Reul said but the fact that a centre-right politician from the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party said it. Nancy Faeser, Germany’s Interior Minister from the centre-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) — which courts voters of non-German ancestry — also said something which would have been branded far-right provocation just a few years ago: “We have to talk about the rise in crime by foreigners”.

These statements may sound benign, but they shatter taboos. German politicos and journalists have long suppressed discussions of why certain groups of foreigners are overrepresented in crime statistics; Section 12 of the official German press code even forbids identifying the ethnic ancestry of criminals to combat “discrimination”.

Any references to “crime by foreigners” (Ausländerkriminalität) as a distinct problem were met with charges of xenophobia and racism. What has moved the Overton Window is a stream of grim crime statistics published by government agencies or, just as frequently, leaked to journalists.

https://archive.ph/QqLJo#selection-867.0-873.344 Accessible link

https://thecritic.co.uk/germany-is-acknowledging-the-unspeakable/

And there is a 400 year history of enslaving Black people in America, that wasn’t erased by the Civil War or the civil rights movement of the 1960s, or Black Lives Matter.

Black people in America have worse outcomes in education, poverty, health and crime statistics as a result.

I think you are in danger of saying that you just don’t want non-white people to come to the UK. And if that is true, then there is a word for it.

The countries many immigrants come from are corrupt - we have had a dependable Land Registry system for what? A century, two?
It recorded who owned what -now we have foreign gangs changing empty or let properties into their name - and selling them and there’s no way the owners get the money back. The registry is being changed to stop this but why are we letting random criminals into the U.K.

And our great leader, a lifelong lawyer, seems at a loss!!

According to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, which tracks official police arrests, Black Americans have the highest per capita rate of arrest for rape.

I think there are likely going to be higher rates of sexual assault amongst asylum seekers. Men away from home and their families are likely to feel freer to commit more sexual offences because they don't have the fear of bringing shame on their families, and they feel less likely to get caught because they think they can just flee home. There's also always going to be the influence of the cultures they come from, most of which are far more misogynistic than here. It's not that this country isn't misogynistic, obviously it is, but many other countries are far far worse. Human beings are inevitably influenced by their culture; it's not racist to say that. Just like I would imagine men born in this country 100 years ago would be more misogynistic than British men now due to the influence of culture.
If it were possible I'd like to have a women only asylum policy here! So manu women left behind in the countries these men come from would give anything to be here, they need to escape far more than the men do and they wouldn't abuse our hospitality the same way.

I thought we were talking about immigrants to the UK, but it’s good to know that you have an objection to people of colour wherever they live,

You probably missed my point about institutionalised racism in America because 400 years of slavery means a lot of Americans have been educated to fear and hate Black people.

And if as a people you have been ground down by 400 years of slavery, then you are probably going to react against that.

Rape is a crime of power and violence against women by men. And I suspect that the rapes that the Black American men are accused of are more likely to be committed against Black women, because men rape within their families and communities.

Obviously that doesn’t excuse the crime, but inciting fear of Black Americans because they are more likely per capita to be arrested for rape in the USA, isn’t actually helpful. And there are a lot more Black Americans than there are Black British people per capita too.

If your point is that you are a racist, why don’t you just admit it. Don’t be coy.

Which shows the bias in the system is working well for the white American rapist....