AIBU to think something significant needs to be done by the government to stop these horrific events occurring?

[Northermcharn]

'Afghan men 'fled UK in lorry after raping girl'

Mobile phone footage recovered from Safi's phone showed the men in the lorry laughing and gesticulating, which Hetherington said suggested they thought they "got away with it".

When they were found by French police in Calais on 3 December, they were returned to the UK.
Hetherington said the trio had no travel documents or identification and had given false names to French authorities.
After their real names were checked on police systems, they were arrested on suspicion of rape.
Sali, of St Werburghs, denies one count of human trafficking and two charges of rape.
Habibkheil, of Lockleaze, denies one count of human trafficking and one charge of rape.
Ahmadzai, of Redcliffe, denies one charge of rape and one charge of assault by penetration.
The 16-year-old also denied one charge of rape.
The trial continues.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx7rxj57zyo

So you're not wanting anything changed about that then?

I mean the fact that as a society many of the victims have been ignored says it all. Why would anyone ignore victims?

In our schools it is taught that the victims are to blame. Kids being told 'what did the girl do wrong'?

In our safeguarding networks it is not even classed as immediate police action if you suspect CSE....why not?

That is how the UK tolerate it....don't see ppl marching to get things changed....

I mean they would if they cared...but they do not.

Yeah she would likely have her home petrol bombed and be told 'it is not that bad to have terrorists trying to burn you alive....

Not that bad is it?

Belfast where much of the rioting happened already had a fair bit of murder, I guess you could call it ritualised. And punishment crucifixions. That isn't whataboutery. I know the response will be "some should accept more violent people from elsewhere as well as the homegrown ones". The problem is multiculturalism is not the cause of most of the problems (at least not in the sense most think)

And the problem is, it's not as simple as "we don't need more violent men on top of the violent ones already here". I also don't want violent men coming to the UK. But people are increasingly justifying violence from the men already here, which is already and will lead to more violence. And trying to reframe arguments against it with straw man arguments about not caring about immigrants committing crime.

If only we could give it a try and see what she says when here.

So now Belfast isn’t in the West? You’ll say anything to try and make your argument stick, won’t you? Not this West, that West!

THIS...so many on here are saying it is fine to accept violence in our society and will happily turn a blind eye to it.

We need to call it what it is. Terrorism. It is a terrorist attack. Saying these ppl are protesting while pouring petrol through ppls letter boxes and torching it and then sharing lists of ppl who ned attacking online to encourage other violent men to go and attack them is disgusting.

And the minute you bring it up ppl then spout the same lines:
You are happy for immigrants to come here and do X...
They have it worse there it isn't that bad to experience violence here...
They treat ppl as 2nd class citizens there....but here women are treated well...

Nah the ones who are happy for violent crimes are the ones excusing it and saying it is not that bad.

You want to petrol bomb a woman and attempt to kill her just to see what she says?

Wow I knew accepting violence has reached a new low but this takes the piss doesn't it?

Why would you want her to experience this? What pleasure would you get out of watching her fighting for her life?

'As gang rape has been the norm in the UK for the last century and probably before then....'

The norm? What do you mean by that? Is that the same sort of statistic as your '50% women wake up being raped'? Where is the evidence?

Here's some evidence from German data (I'm sure it's similar here in the UK if we were allowed to see it, if it's even gathered).

'Germany-wide statistics on sexual violence .. revealed that asylum-seekers have committed some 7,000 sexual assaults (ranging from groping to gang-rape) between 2015 and 2023.

Although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021.

In 2023, there were 761 gang-rapes registered in Germany — almost two per day; 47.5 per cent of the suspects were foreigners. The frequency of such crimes — which were rare in Germany as late as the 1990s — has hovered between 600 and 800 per year for the past 7 years.' (ref above in a pp)

And yet you want to let these men in willy nilly with no care for UK women and girls.

You are running away with stuff. its just the home swap I’d like to see.

If you’re as keen as you sound I’d like to give a Sudanese woman a place here, if you facilitate that by swapping then great.

Ik you think she’d hate it as you do but I think that’s doubtful given the horrors she likely sees.

The norm as in it was normal back then as it is now as the crime was called 'child prostitution' back then.

The definition largely still says that the child is prostituting themselves to this day...no one seems to care that it says that.

Oh i know that in Germy the rape crimes went up 10% when they started deporting them...why is that? Why did German men know that they could happily rape more when the eyes were all on the immigrants...? And once they started deporting them, society ignored the German rapists as they never cared in the first place....weird that. Glad you used Germany as an example. So when our immigrants who are all rapists you say, get deported....what will stop our rapists then having a field day knowing that they have their victims back....and no one will care...

You are happy for white British men with no care for UK women to go and rape some more?

Tell me, what have you done to change the CPS rule of letting 99% of rapists walk free....or do you not care enough when it is white rapists being let off to rape some more?

Let’s stop engaging with these idiots who are trying to derail the thread from any sensible discussion. I’m entirely open to differing views but spouting twaddle about Sudan being no more dangerous for a woman than Newport Parnell is sheer stupidity and extremely insulting to any woman who has been brutalised in Sudan.

And as for “51% of women wake up being raped” - ????? I don’t doubt that many women are in abusive relationships, but this statistic? Also, I believe that Islamic law condones rape in marriage (well, it’s just procreating sex, right?) and indeed wife-beating is regarded as not a problem if the woman deserves a good hiding.

And yet when a British person tried cutting the head off a brown man you said that it is a safe place to be and it is ok for her to experience that and when a British person does that but when it is a Sudanese person you want to burn ppl's houses...

Tell me, why were there no riots when that white British person tried to cut the head off a brown man?

Such a safe and pleasant land eh? Where it is ignored when a white person does it...

When did I saw Belfast isn’t In Western Europe?
What are talking about. Im
well aware of where Belfast is located.
NI has a very crime rate against women, it has a lot of violence and trauma.
Do you not agree that rape is generally more frowned upon in the west than the Middle East?
I don’t know what argument you think I’m trying to stick??

@Samysungy This thread is about letting thousands of men into the UK unchecked. And the results we're seeing of that inaction. Get a grip.

I haven’t done anything to people’s houses, I’m posting on mumsnet to say it’s the government’s basic function to keep people safe.

And your reply is you feel Sudan is the same as here in terms of conflict, I don’t think you have that right, I’d be happy to enable a swap to give someone else a chance here.

Saying being raped in the UK is less of a crime than being raped in Sudan is disgusting and supporting rapists.

Both have the same root cause....misogyny. Britain is a misogynistic culture as is Islamic culture. Same as Christianity. All religion is misogynistic and about controlling women and girls. The abuse written in the Bible is accepted and used by many to justify their treatment of women and girls. But you turn a blind eye to that as it is acceptable, right?

In the UK it was legal for a man to kill a woman in bed and get away with murder up to about 5 years ago. There was a legal loophole....and yes men did exploit that loophole to cry 'rough sex gone wrong'...but that is not a problem is it?

Nor is letting 99% of rapists off on purpose....but that seems socially acceptable in the UK.

We let millions of men in unchecked at the airports....

And you are happy to let them come in and rape and abuse....because they have a passport it makes their rape acceptable, right?]

What you do not like is that your argument that all immigrants are rapists and abusers and we should deal with just those brown men and ignore the white men is not tolerated by me...

By all means you accept that you want to turn a blind eye to rapists and abusers here and the ones you think are ok to come in on passports at a greater rate....but apparently a little book with their picture in makes it ok for rapists to come and rape...right?

A vetted rapists is welcome?

“I was referring to western society, not the violent pocket known as Belfast.” That is a direct quote from you.

Oh I forgot to add “Just”
I was referring to western society, not JUST the violent pocket that is known as Belfast.

Of course you did.

I didn't say you had but you said you wanted to try it out on a Sudanese woman and see if she complained about her house being torched.

As you do not see that as being an act of terrorism.

So if the government is meant to keep us safe then why are you not up in arms that they let 99% of rapists off and you are doing naff all to make that change?

Ah yes as it would mean white rapists are being held to account and that is not a and crime you say.

And if you want them to keep us safe then they should stop rapists coming in with their passports, no? I mean you seem ok to let millions of rapists in each year with a little stamp in their passport...

Is it because they spend money you are happy to let rapists in with passports? What is it that you think is ok to let them in 'vetted' and ready to rape.

Why is the focus not on keeping all rapists out of the country not 'the ones with passports are ok' agenda...?

Don’t be so paranoid.

Coming out of my self-imposed Mumsnet hiatus because this thread is full of so much nonsense.

What's the saying?

"It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible."

@OneAmberFinch - I think I’m going on one! I just can’t fathom if these posters truly believe their garbage or are (more likely) malign agitators with an agenda. And the wilful misunderstanding of points is a common strategy.

Your first paragraph is really so far from what I actually posted

But since you’re off on a flight of fancy I’ll post clearly again. I’d like to take you up on your offer for a Sudanese woman to swap places with you. No torching for her, I’d invite her for a cup of tea and see if she likes the U.K.

For you in Sudan, who knows it’s a conflict zone.