AIBU to think something significant needs to be done by the government to stop these horrific events occurring?

[Northermcharn]

'Afghan men 'fled UK in lorry after raping girl'

Mobile phone footage recovered from Safi's phone showed the men in the lorry laughing and gesticulating, which Hetherington said suggested they thought they "got away with it".

When they were found by French police in Calais on 3 December, they were returned to the UK.
Hetherington said the trio had no travel documents or identification and had given false names to French authorities.
After their real names were checked on police systems, they were arrested on suspicion of rape.
Sali, of St Werburghs, denies one count of human trafficking and two charges of rape.
Habibkheil, of Lockleaze, denies one count of human trafficking and one charge of rape.
Ahmadzai, of Redcliffe, denies one charge of rape and one charge of assault by penetration.
The 16-year-old also denied one charge of rape.
The trial continues.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx7rxj57zyo

Posters are voting on the thread title, 92% agree the op is not being unreasonable

Violence against women and girls is a complex problem. Violence against women and girls (and indeed men, as we've recently seen) committed by asylum seekers is not a complex problem, and we'd save several billion pounds per year if we solved it.

It seems you can fly to Dublin but you’re not meant to catch a bus to get asylum

Upon Arrival: You can state your intention to claim asylum directly to immigration officers at Dublin Airport or at the International Protection Office in the city centre. 1, 2]
Registration: You will have a preliminary interview, be fingerprinted, and complete a detailed questionnaire.1, 2, 3, 4]
Accommodation: The International Protection Accommodation Services (IPAS) will arrange accommodation, although there may be delays for single applicants

The Common Travel Area (CTA): While Ireland and the UK share the CTA, this does not give non-citizens the right to bypass immigration controls or travel between the two jurisdictions without proper visas or travel documents

In that case yes, I agree that the government should do more to deter would be rapists. So why is so much of the thread about immigration? We don't know anything about the immigration status of the perpetrators do we?

It really stinks how he got through Paris airport without checks as they require evidence of an Irish visa or you can't board the flight and then arrival at Dublin, they should have asked for the visa too. He should not have been allowed to leave Dublin airport and sent back. So was it false docs or corrupt airport staff?

If he had a visa, NI should've sent him straight back to Dublin instead of entertaining any asylum claim. The whole thing needs investigation because if the EU are waving these people through, how many are here?

Of course it will be covered up.

It certainly needs tightening up in Ireland. It all seems incredibly leaky.

But am I right in thinking there is nothing to stop them either?

As in, they can literally just get on a bus and be in Northern Ireland with no checks?

Of course not everyone shares those outdated and harmful attitudes.

But I’m wiling to bet the house that those male young economic migrants swarming onto our shores, into hotels and with their hands our, catcalling our girls and woman and worse, embody them.

Denmark gave up trying to educate into integration, as did Finland. Denmark prioritises its admirable culture and makes immigrants part of it.

Let’s not pretend the 100s of 1000s of men illegally arrived on our shores are in comparable positions.

They pose a danger to us.

Yes I think you’re right. I’m amazed by this and wondering why people pay so much for the highly risky boat option.

Correct

And can hop over to the mainland too if they so desire.

Serious questions need to be posed about the Paris leg. He must have had false documents (ie a passport/visa) which were not picked up on. How many more men like this are being ushered through with little or no scrutiny?

The class-based responses to this situation are Jilly Cooper-worthy.

Anyone violently objecting to being front line in absorbing a seismic number of incompatible immigrants in the shaved a couple of generations, or minding the sneaking in of illegal immigrants under darkness are labelled thick white supremacist working class racists.

Middle classes, especially those first generation university educated, keen to show liberal credentials, pretend the people they’ve met at uni and work of different cultures are to be protected and revered, despite never crossing their thresholds or really knowing them.

Upper classes, who’ve always known other cultures, but who are injured through mutual wealth and sophistication, couldn’t care less as they can afford to live far from the dangerous and changed streets.

Facike and cowardly to despise those on the front line as racist.

But you don't know how many such crimes are committed so how can you say that it's an easy thing to solve? How do you know we'd save several billion pounds? On what? A simple blanket ban of ALL male (?) or all asylum seekers full stop. Because an unquantified number of them commit crimes? Is that how we now introduce laws in our country?

Maybe by the same measure, we should introduce curfews for all men because some of them commit crimes. And perhaps we should ban driving because some drivers kill pedestrians? And of course we should ban cigarette manufacturing completely because that costs far more than asylum seekers.

I expect paying for a false passport is extremely expensive, not to mention running the risk of being stopped.

Getting on a boat is cheaper and once you’re in UK waters - papers destroyed - you’ve made it.

I guess they don't even have a passport so the boat is the only option?

I don’t think you can fly to London and do the same but given that blurb below says you can fly to Dublin and ask for asylum it’s doable.

Then a bus and through. Incredible, pretty open when it comes to borders.

Fair enough

I dont think so. Suella braverman doesnt care about working class people, she cares about furthering her interests at the hands of people desperate enough to vote for their oppressors.

Decent sane voices, there are loads of them, should come out and support British girls here. And British boys who are also a target of these men.

Part of me suspects that were a boy to be attacked, people would be more inclined to speak up.

Ok maybe not possible

you generally cannot board a plane to Dublin without a valid visa if your nationality requires one, even if your intention is to claim asylum.

Net migration has fallen because more British people are leaving than before.
Perhaps you don't understand what "net" means in this context.

"How do you know we'd save several billion pounds?"

Because...asylum seekers cost us several billion pounds per year.

"On what? A simple blanket ban of ALL male (?) or all asylum seekers full stop"

A ban on all male asylum seekers, yes.

"Maybe by the same measure, we should introduce curfews for all men because some of them commit crimes"

We live in a democracy, you'd need a significant number of UK men to vote for their own curfews. Seems unlikely but give it a try if you want.

"And perhaps we should ban driving because some drivers kill pedestrians?"

We impose a huge amount of laws and regulations on driving in order to mitigate negative impacts. It's impractical to ban it altogether, you know that of course.

"And of course we should ban cigarette manufacturing completely because that costs far more than asylum seekers."

We are banning cigarette sales, with a phased approach so that young people never take up smoking to begin with.

But saying ‘white men are bad too’ is latent racism. It’d be better to say something like British-born but that would exclude all those reasonable people here from outside the UK.
The USA are recognising that some countries are in such an ongoing state of extreme turmoil, what is our lawful is no longer recognised by people from those places. No excuse but I suspect that the chap in Belfast yesterday had been so severely damaged by exposure to evil within his own country he was more than a little bonkers.
The far right are derided but maybe their message has some truth.