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AIBU to question John Lewis advert and its message about women?

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Sheldonsheher · Yesterday 15:19

John Lewis pushing this advert on my social media. Do they support oppression of women or is this a symbol of women’s right to choose .

AIBU to question John Lewis advert and its message about women?
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TemperanceWest · Yesterday 19:24

Does it matter if it comes up randomly?

Yournextdoorneighbour · Yesterday 19:26

CostOfLoving · Yesterday 19:06

If she really is doing it out of free choice, then she's the one upholding deeply sexist standards. It doesn't make it any better.

That's your opinion surely because now it is deeper than just being oppressed this is about how YOU view the covering in question.

50sandFabulous · Yesterday 19:28

It’s an outfit introduced as part of the oppression of women. We absolutely should be concerned that’s it’s trickling into mainstream shopping in the UK. This shit shouldn’t be normalised.

Yournextdoorneighbour · Yesterday 19:29

50sandFabulous · Yesterday 19:06

Okay, what are your reasons?

Does it actually really matter what my reasons are or are you looking for another angle to try and prove your point?

Is the reason 'I want to do it to piss people that think like you off sufficient enough?'

TY78910 · Yesterday 19:29

There are a few upcoming holidays in Islam. This is why you’re seeing this being advertised now. It’s like seeing Christmas pyjamas in November.

Scrumptiousy · Yesterday 19:31

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Yournextdoorneighbour · Yesterday 19:31

50sandFabulous · Yesterday 19:28

It’s an outfit introduced as part of the oppression of women. We absolutely should be concerned that’s it’s trickling into mainstream shopping in the UK. This shit shouldn’t be normalised.

Point proven. I won't be responding any further. Excuse me while I go and order every single colour in this prayer outfit that John Lewis has to offer.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 19:32

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What a bully you are.

Scrumptiousy · Yesterday 19:34

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TemperanceWest · Yesterday 19:37

50sandFabulous · Yesterday 19:28

It’s an outfit introduced as part of the oppression of women. We absolutely should be concerned that’s it’s trickling into mainstream shopping in the UK. This shit shouldn’t be normalised.

Well it is normal for some Muslim women. Unless JL stop offering any other sort of clothing, it is not going to affect anyone else.

Mand S offer modest clothing. Is that shit, too?

CaptainMyCaptain · Yesterday 19:37

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You are bullying.

CaptainMyCaptain · Yesterday 19:39

50sandFabulous · Yesterday 19:28

It’s an outfit introduced as part of the oppression of women. We absolutely should be concerned that’s it’s trickling into mainstream shopping in the UK. This shit shouldn’t be normalised.

Do you think non-Muslim women are going to start wearing this because it's advertised in JL? And if they did, however unlikely that might be, why would it bother you?

Scrumptiousy · Yesterday 19:39

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NotAverage · Yesterday 19:40

50sandFabulous · Yesterday 18:05

Well, it's trendy, innit. Some people just need to conform, and if she's in London, she's probably now dressing like most of her neighbours. Are you pleased she wears this type of clothing? Is this what you dreamed for her?

What an unpleasant little post. Do you behave like this in real life?

TheignT · Yesterday 19:42

50sandFabulous · Yesterday 19:28

It’s an outfit introduced as part of the oppression of women. We absolutely should be concerned that’s it’s trickling into mainstream shopping in the UK. This shit shouldn’t be normalised.

Do you think British women who aren't Muslim are going to think I want one of those? I know Muslim women who wouldn't wear it so the idea that anyone other than a religious Muslim is going to wear it is a bit strange.

PhaedraTwo · Yesterday 19:46

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 19:37

Well it is normal for some Muslim women. Unless JL stop offering any other sort of clothing, it is not going to affect anyone else.

Mand S offer modest clothing. Is that shit, too?

Ye, Advertising clothing as "modest" is shitty misogyny.

GingerBeverage · Yesterday 19:47

Pootles34 · Yesterday 15:43

Do you have a problem with nuns wearing the habit, OP? This is really no different.

Does JL sell nun habits?

TheignT · Yesterday 19:49

Ginmonkeyagain · Yesterday 17:59

I generally think other people should not be telling women what they should or should not wear - whether it is conservative mullahs in Iran, French secular governments or self styled feminist liberators on here.

Leave people to be themselves.

I agree. I know two Muslim sisters. One wears standard European dress one is covered head to foot except her face. Their choices.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 19:51

PhaedraTwo · Yesterday 19:46

Ye, Advertising clothing as "modest" is shitty misogyny.

Why? It’s a perfectly serviceable and inoffensive adjective. I’m old enough to remember modesty vests.

PhaedraTwo · Yesterday 19:54

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 19:51

Why? It’s a perfectly serviceable and inoffensive adjective. I’m old enough to remember modesty vests.

It absolutely is not an inoffensive adjective. It's vile and judgemental. I'm glad I don't buy clothes from M & S as I would boycott any brand selling "modest" clothes.

Lomonald · Yesterday 19:58

PhaedraTwo · Yesterday 19:54

It absolutely is not an inoffensive adjective. It's vile and judgemental. I'm glad I don't buy clothes from M & S as I would boycott any brand selling "modest" clothes.

Most of those flouncy maxi dresses that are reccomended on here are "modest" it is fine you are not interested in other cultures that might shop in M&S or John Lewis we see that! But of course "misogyny" .

CaptainMyCaptain · Yesterday 19:59

PhaedraTwo · Yesterday 19:46

Ye, Advertising clothing as "modest" is shitty misogyny.

The clothes I tend to wear could probably be described as modest. It's my choice and what I find comfortable. Nobody tells me what I should wear.

PhaedraTwo · Yesterday 20:01

Lomonald · Yesterday 19:58

Most of those flouncy maxi dresses that are reccomended on here are "modest" it is fine you are not interested in other cultures that might shop in M&S or John Lewis we see that! But of course "misogyny" .

Oh I wear "flouncy maxi dresses" - none of the brands I own market themselves as "modest". It's a vile, misogynistic concept.

Lomonald · Yesterday 20:02

CaptainMyCaptain · Yesterday 19:59

The clothes I tend to wear could probably be described as modest. It's my choice and what I find comfortable. Nobody tells me what I should wear.

I also wear "modest" clothes it is what i like and are comfortable in.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 20:05

Modest is a term which can be applied to either sex. By that definition it’s not misogynistic.

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