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To wonder why anyone would want to live in America?

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allergon842 · 07/06/2026 17:06

I follow a woman on Instagram who moved from England to the States and someone commented "America is only great if you're white, rich, and healthy".

Putting aside Trump/politics, I've always found it weird why anyone would want/would have wanted to live there. I understand if you're from a developing country, but I don't see the appeal for anyone who comes from Europe. The lower taxes and opportunities are enticing, but if you can't make it, you can fall very easy with the lack of a safety net. It seems to be only decent if you're a top earner ($100,000+).

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Rrnraf · Yesterday 08:48

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 08:07

This is the chance of being murdered in any particular year.

It’s harder to find figures for the lifetime risk, but it appears that between 1 in 100 and 1 in 200 US residents will die by homicide. Of course some have much higher risk than others.

Thanks for the correction

jeaux90 · Yesterday 08:58

My sister (English) and her husband (American) are both in higher education there, so mediocre salaries and can afford a beautiful home, and in 22 years of living there have never been in any of the situations people bang on about. I have been to the US many many times too including a couple of months ago. No country is perfect.

user678435 · Yesterday 11:54

FrenchT0ast · 08/06/2026 17:48

Oh and re school shootings. The fact children have to have school shooting drills is abhorrent. Firearms are the leading cause of death for children and teens (ages 1 to 19) in the United States. Terrifying for children and parents.

I'm not a 2nd amendment fan. I'd be happy for guns to be banned, but it's a little misleading to exclude the fact that 59% of paediatric gun deaths (under 18) are by a family member/domestic situation rather than a random school shooting.

YourBlueShark · Yesterday 13:55

Rrnraf · 07/06/2026 19:04

We and DC have only ever been on holiday. DH has been on work trips.

People who have lived there be honest do people "go out at night on their own". Extended family who have studied there basically say every major city is dangerous at night and no-one goes out after dark on their own

Not true at all; I lived in a major US city and now live in a small coastal New England city. I've always been very comfortable at night on my own, and I am not remotely unusual in that way. Actually hopping in the car shortly to head to NYC for a visit to my best friend; she's raising her children on the UES and does not have safety concerns (specific to the city). It's very common for people to be out on their own at night in US cities.

YourBlueShark · Yesterday 14:02

Thepeopleversuswork · 07/06/2026 20:15

The short answer is its a far, far wealthier country. Far more work and money. There are plenty of other wonderful things about the US but I don’t think people are fully cognisant of what a poor country we are now compared to them.

We have a US parent company and they basically use our UK staff today the way British companies used Chinese and Indian companies 20 years ago. Its an arbitrage on very cheap labour because we are paid about a third of what the staff at the parent earn and they know our labour market is fucked so none of us can leave. The UK has basically become a sweatshop country for white collar industries.

There a lot to dislike about the US obviously but also some wonderful things. If I were 20 years younger I would be pushing to move there.

My husband works for a UK company but is an American citizen in the US. His colleagues who've come over from the UK earn about half of what they pay the Americans for the same role and they can't leave because their visas are tied to work. It's horrible, and basically indentured servitude. He's become close with a few who are working through the green card process specifically so they can find other jobs here.

TheatreMom · Yesterday 14:13

FrenchT0ast · Yesterday 06:35

They are entirely different and focus on any external threat

“A reported incident/civil disturbance in the local community (with the potential
to pose a risk to staff and pupils in the school).
• An intruder on the school site (with the potential to pose a risk to staff and
pupils).
• A warning being received regarding a risk locally of air pollution (smoke
plume, gas cloud etc.) or chemical, biological or radiological contaminants.
• A major fire in the vicinity of the school.
• The close proximity of a dangerous dog or other animal roaming loose.”

NOT active shooter drills anywhere like those seen in the USA.

Our external threat drills are do innocuous most often focus on a potential animal in the playground as that is what is the most likely scenario as we don’t have a gun or kids being shot in school problem. They are calm drills almost identical to fire drills except a reverse with any kids or staff returning to classrooms on a different bell.

How are they different from an "active shooter drill"?

Rrnraf · Yesterday 14:21

YourBlueShark · Yesterday 13:55

Not true at all; I lived in a major US city and now live in a small coastal New England city. I've always been very comfortable at night on my own, and I am not remotely unusual in that way. Actually hopping in the car shortly to head to NYC for a visit to my best friend; she's raising her children on the UES and does not have safety concerns (specific to the city). It's very common for people to be out on their own at night in US cities.

Thank you for telling me

YourBlueShark · Yesterday 14:29

latetothefisting · 07/06/2026 20:50

come on, Unlimited AL is not "very common" is it?

It might be more common than in the UK in that more companies overall offer it, but they are only a tiny minority of all the employers in the US - stats show the average amount of PTO in the US is one of the lowest in the world.
e.g. according to Forbes the average American worker gets 11 days of paid vacation per year, and twenty-eight million Americans don’t get any paid vacation or paid holidays - that's probably the equivalent to the entire UK workforce!
Average PTO In The US & Other PTO Statistics – Forbes Advisor

I agree with you that people make over-generalisations about the US but going too far the other way doesn't help!

In answer to the actual q - I'd possibly consider living in a 'blue' state with strict gun laws if I had a decent job.

That's the thing about the US - it's a country of extremes. If you're doing well, life is really good, probably better than most places in the world. If you're down on your luck you're really shafted. The main difference is that it doesn't take that much to go from one to another - one serious illness = losing your job = no health insurance = homeless, bankrupt and unable to pay for medical treatment very quickly. Of course you could equally be in the UK and be unable to get medical treatment because you've been on a waiting list for over a year, so horses for courses!

I think the annual leave policy is industry specific. I work in tech sales and have had unlimited PTO for years now; it's common in my industry but very much not so in others. It's also misleading, as leave still needs to be taken judiciously and you cannot take too much/take a lot consecutively. There aren't official policies around it so it gets murky and people end up taking less than they would otherwise. Parental leave also varies from company to company and state to state. I saw someone post about getting 24 weeks; a close friend in Georgia had a baby recently and between her company's policy and her state FMLA, she only got 8 weeks, total.

Seagulldancing · Yesterday 14:37

A US based relative has unlimited PTO, but is expected to check emails and answer any work calls. So its not what Id call annual leave. Taking more than 10 to 15 days per year raises questions about commitment to the firm.
Also they are tech land CA, near San Jose and working days are longer, commutes are longer (and WFH is increasingly limited). There is noone around after 8pm, as they are all in bed for a 6am departure for school or work. So walking alone at night doesn't feel safe. The local High School starts at 7am. Its a very different lifestyle.

Crushed23 · Yesterday 15:22

My company has unlimited PTO and I don’t don’t know anyone who takes as little as 10-15 days PTO (annual leave) so it must be industry dependent, yes. For one thing, the firm is closed for 2 weeks over Christmas / New Year, so that’s 10 days’ leave off the bat.

Most people take 5-6 weeks off a year, as standard. I take 8 weeks off because I can hit my metrics with this much time off. If you don’t see a future at your employer, nothing stops you taking a lot of time off in your last 6-12 months. I know someone who didn’t do any work whatsoever in his 2 months’ notice period (a mixture of annual leave, paid sick leave and generally checking out).

Overall it is definitely business friendly because the conscientious will take fewer than 25 days (this was the allowance before unlimited PTO came in) and the employer doesn’t have to pay out accrued PTO when you leave. But for the average worker, it’s a better deal than the fixed 5 weeks I was getting in London.

As for answering emails on leave - again, this is industry dependent. I was 100% doing this in my role in London, so no change there.

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