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Who's this new celebrity groper ?

322 replies

Daygloboo · 06/06/2026 09:40

Who's this new celebrity groper who's been ' hauled in' for questioning. I'm beginning to think they've got a supply of them at the BBC that they keep in a cupboard and they let one out evwry now and then when there's a bit if a slow news day.

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truffleruffle · 08/06/2026 14:12

I sympathise with anyone affected by sexual assault but why wait so long to report something like this.

AWeeCupOfTeaAndAnIndividualFruitTrifle · 08/06/2026 14:24

Heylittlesongbird · 08/06/2026 13:01

But back then the helpers were Nick and Margaret. And I would find it hard to believe a word against them.

Good point - I'd forgotten to dial back the years enough!

Daygloboo · 08/06/2026 14:52

truffleruffle · 08/06/2026 14:12

I sympathise with anyone affected by sexual assault but why wait so long to report something like this.

Because back then you werent believed

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Jc2001 · 08/06/2026 15:03

BatFinkk · 06/06/2026 10:18

Well we need a bit more here for us to get stuck in! Where did you see it

Since when did Mumsnet posters need any evidence to name drop, speculate and accuse people of wrongdoing?

Lakesfun · 08/06/2026 15:23

truffleruffle · 08/06/2026 14:12

I sympathise with anyone affected by sexual assault but why wait so long to report something like this.

Because these men had tremendous influence, could ruin careers and reputations, you wouldn't be believed and no action would be taken against high status men anyway. In many cases "everyone" knew exactly what they were like and no one cared enough to risk trying to do anything to stop them.

Papster · 08/06/2026 17:20

Daygloboo · 08/06/2026 13:10

What is it you think the mainstream media is diverting us from?

You’ll get called sheeple in a sec if you’re not careful

Carlie97 · 08/06/2026 22:07

Ive just watched the Panorama investigation on David Sullivan who owned the Sunday Sport back in the 80s and 90s. Disgusting man. There were a few men on that documentary, one who used the excuse that basically back then it was OK to have topless pics of 16 year olds in the papers. Allegedly, David Sullivan was coercing these young girls into sex in return for a page three career. Twat.

Lakesfun · 08/06/2026 22:11

Carlie97 · 08/06/2026 22:07

Ive just watched the Panorama investigation on David Sullivan who owned the Sunday Sport back in the 80s and 90s. Disgusting man. There were a few men on that documentary, one who used the excuse that basically back then it was OK to have topless pics of 16 year olds in the papers. Allegedly, David Sullivan was coercing these young girls into sex in return for a page three career. Twat.

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I was a bit 'disappointed' in it tbh. It's no surprise that DS was a sleaze, and there wasn't much else there? Nothing you could say came as a shock or was likely illegal?

Carlie97 · 08/06/2026 22:14

Lakesfun · 08/06/2026 22:11

I was a bit 'disappointed' in it tbh. It's no surprise that DS was a sleaze, and there wasn't much else there? Nothing you could say came as a shock or was likely illegal?

It wasn't illegal, but shocking by today's standards, but back then it seemed normal. It doesnt make his behaviour OK. He's still a disgusting predator. What did you think of the radio presenter, tony livesey's account of it all?

Lakesfun · 08/06/2026 22:20

Carlie97 · 08/06/2026 22:14

It wasn't illegal, but shocking by today's standards, but back then it seemed normal. It doesnt make his behaviour OK. He's still a disgusting predator. What did you think of the radio presenter, tony livesey's account of it all?

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That's it though. It's a bit of a shock when you hear of "nice" guys from family/mainstream entertainment at it, but the fact that DS was is hardly news. A disapppointing non story for Panarama IMO.

LewKirtonHeavenInTheAfternoonNSOul · 08/06/2026 22:29

Lakesfun · 08/06/2026 22:20

That's it though. It's a bit of a shock when you hear of "nice" guys from family/mainstream entertainment at it, but the fact that DS was is hardly news. A disapppointing non story for Panarama IMO.

Not a non story for the women who were at the time teenagers taken advantage of by the sleaze merchant DS..

Lakesfun · 08/06/2026 22:31

LewKirtonHeavenInTheAfternoonNSOul · 08/06/2026 22:29

Not a non story for the women who were at the time teenagers taken advantage of by the sleaze merchant DS..

It's not news though. It's all public knowledge already.

Tryanalogue · 08/06/2026 23:05

The BBC radio news all day today was an advert for their Panorama programme.

It’s non-news. A pornographer was ungentlemanly toward prospective bare chest models.

LBFseBrom · 09/06/2026 08:30

Daygloboo · 08/06/2026 14:52

Because back then you werent believed

Exactly.

Weren't believed and nobody cared.

MulberryBrandy · 09/06/2026 09:34

Lakesfun · 08/06/2026 22:31

It's not news though. It's all public knowledge already.

You are right that it was known - David Sullivan was widely known to have a conviction for living off immoral earnings. He was also known for the fact it was him that fast-tracked Karren Brady, I think he was a friend of her father, to start off her career - the reason I have always avoided anything to do with her.

Sartre · 09/06/2026 09:37

wrinkleyrita · 07/06/2026 09:28

I had the misfortune to meet Knick Nowles around this time (2005/2006) …. I would bet my house on it being him.

Really? My mum had a massive crush on him when I was a kid, I mocked her mercilessly when he went on strictly the other year!

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 09/06/2026 10:00

Papster · 08/06/2026 17:20

You’ll get called sheeple in a sec if you’re not careful

I wish they still had the laughing emoji on here.
Sheeple? Wtf is that all about???
I'm not into primary school name calling but if the cap fits 🤭

@Daygloboo
The media show what they're allowed/told to report on.
A lot of things that we see are distractions/extensions of the truth.
And the truth is that all the children in the world are at risk of abuse.
There's a sex offender down every street.
Governments minimise it because they want Minor Attraction 'disorder' to become a sexuality. They want to make it normal for grown ups to abuse (fuck, I said it) kids.
And everytime its close to an outing, something big happens to take our minds away

LewKirtonHeavenInTheAfternoonNSOul · 09/06/2026 10:18

Wow you need better quality tin foil.

JanisFortescue · 09/06/2026 10:44

truffleruffle · 08/06/2026 14:12

I sympathise with anyone affected by sexual assault but why wait so long to report something like this.

This question always comes up in cases like this. I can explain it from personal experience, if it helps, having been involved in goings on involving a different "celebrity" a few years ago.

When something like this happens, it is always a shock, even if the person has previously been kind of flirtatious/inappropriate. But the biggest thing is that it's as if they have suddenly given you some kind of power over them, which you never asked for and didn't want. They realise you might tell someone about it, and you have absolutely no idea who you can tell without it getting out and potentially implicating you in a huge scandal. It's as though someone has handed you a dangerous animal to look after: you can't really offload it to anyone else, because they probably won't want it either. And you feel like you're stuck with this enormous burden you're expected to carry on the person's behalf, and over time that becomes too much to bear. Every time you see them being written about in public, every time your colleagues discuss them, you can feel the anger rising and you're powerless to do anything.

It's not so much a case of wanting them to be punished, or to suffer; for me, it was the sense that I wasn't allowed to say it, you know, just actually say out loud what they had done, even if it wasn't that bad in the scheme of things, because it would cause so much trouble. I don't like attention, but I also don't like being expected to keep secrets, because it feels wrong. So that's why I obsessively looked on social media for other people writing about the guy I had the experience with, and when I saw that someone else had said the same, I got in touch with her and it all cascaded from there.

It was horrific, even though I stayed largely anonymous; I told some people I knew, or half-knew, and lots of them contacted me wanting to know more, or to apologise because they were friends with him. I thought he had some serious psychological issues, that's all. But knowing he had assaulted several other women helped me to decide I had to do something.

I sometimes felt like people didn't really believe me and it made a lot of those former acquaintanceships quite awkward, too awkward to continue in some cases. So I regret it in a sense. But I don't feel that there was much else I could do. It was simply getting too heavy to bear, especially as he would frequently write about how wrong it was for people to get away with sexual assault. The hypocrisy was too galling to watch and the anger I felt was harming my own mental state. So that's just my perspective, as to why wait. Because you don't feel brave enough, and it could cost you a great deal if you say anything.

BeachTimeIsBliss · 09/06/2026 10:45

NedsAtomicWheelieBin · 06/06/2026 15:47

I don’t!

She meant Jon Barrowman.

JanisFortescue · 09/06/2026 10:49

There's also the fear that you're going to experience retaliation, or people will scrutinise what you did to precipitate it. In my case he stopped sending me work (I was working for him prior to the thing) and acted like he was afraid I would say something. So that was how I knew he knew it was wrong. And I had been joining in with his "banter" beforehand, almost flirting, though I didn't really understand where it was headed from his point of view. So I was really ashamed to show anyone the conversation. It was unbearable to think they would think I had encouraged him. I'm sure some of them did.

Topsyturveymam · 09/06/2026 11:09

One of my friends was acquainted a Sunday sport model. She went to his place in Essex around this time. He tried exactly the same with her …exactly the same words …being his special friend through sex and getting career favours. These women aren’t lying despite his sad protestations to the contrary. Vile little worm … they’ll be a lot of women who will all have the same story. The Sport model who took her there tried to persuade her to go through with it, saying he’d only last two minutes.
It’s easy to understand why women didn’t report it…this kind of behaviour was dismissed then.
I worked at a high street bookmakers in London when I was as student … and used to get paid well for doing night racing at the prestigious London hotels. These nights were full of celebrities and racing elite. I can’t count the times my bum got slapped etc. On one occasion, I was shoved across the room by the force as one fu@ktard slapped my backside very hard and shouted ‘one for the boys’ . I kid you not. I went to my female manager to report it. I got an eye roll and she said she’d have a word with him. She absolutely didn’t. A clear message came back …either put up with this …or don’t do these events and lose money. I needed the money ….

MulberryBrandy · 09/06/2026 11:24

This is the cynical tactic that Sullivan is using, as usual, to downplay and denigrate:

"after a lifetime spent building businesses in the adult industry in which I have met thousands of women, it is sadly inevitable that a small number of improper conduct claims are being made against me".

Although some of it is quite a while ago, a lot of the victims were very young women - there must be dozens.

truffleruffle · 09/06/2026 11:30

JanisFortescue · 09/06/2026 10:44

This question always comes up in cases like this. I can explain it from personal experience, if it helps, having been involved in goings on involving a different "celebrity" a few years ago.

When something like this happens, it is always a shock, even if the person has previously been kind of flirtatious/inappropriate. But the biggest thing is that it's as if they have suddenly given you some kind of power over them, which you never asked for and didn't want. They realise you might tell someone about it, and you have absolutely no idea who you can tell without it getting out and potentially implicating you in a huge scandal. It's as though someone has handed you a dangerous animal to look after: you can't really offload it to anyone else, because they probably won't want it either. And you feel like you're stuck with this enormous burden you're expected to carry on the person's behalf, and over time that becomes too much to bear. Every time you see them being written about in public, every time your colleagues discuss them, you can feel the anger rising and you're powerless to do anything.

It's not so much a case of wanting them to be punished, or to suffer; for me, it was the sense that I wasn't allowed to say it, you know, just actually say out loud what they had done, even if it wasn't that bad in the scheme of things, because it would cause so much trouble. I don't like attention, but I also don't like being expected to keep secrets, because it feels wrong. So that's why I obsessively looked on social media for other people writing about the guy I had the experience with, and when I saw that someone else had said the same, I got in touch with her and it all cascaded from there.

It was horrific, even though I stayed largely anonymous; I told some people I knew, or half-knew, and lots of them contacted me wanting to know more, or to apologise because they were friends with him. I thought he had some serious psychological issues, that's all. But knowing he had assaulted several other women helped me to decide I had to do something.

I sometimes felt like people didn't really believe me and it made a lot of those former acquaintanceships quite awkward, too awkward to continue in some cases. So I regret it in a sense. But I don't feel that there was much else I could do. It was simply getting too heavy to bear, especially as he would frequently write about how wrong it was for people to get away with sexual assault. The hypocrisy was too galling to watch and the anger I felt was harming my own mental state. So that's just my perspective, as to why wait. Because you don't feel brave enough, and it could cost you a great deal if you say anything.

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This gives a better understanding of why people don’t report at the time. Also it may give the person some sort of sense of closure as it’s been highlighted. Especially if others have been in the same position. Thank you for taking the time to explain and I really hope you’re doing ok.

JanisFortescue · 09/06/2026 11:37

Thanks Truffle. I appreciate not everyone can understand the reasons because I used to not understand why people took ages to disclose. And it's cathartic to set it out here tbh now the dust has settled 🌺