Political badges should be banned from NHS uniforms

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New report says political badges such as Pro Palestine shouldn't be worn on NHS uniforms. It's led to increased antisemitism and fear amongst Jewish patients.

Also NHS uniforms not to be worn on protests.

This report makes a number of suggestions and in my opinion must be implemented. All political badges off NHS uniforms. No NHS uniforms on protests such as pro Palestine. It contributes to racism and fear.

The NHS should treat all patients equally and individuals political opinions shouldn't be pinned on their uniforms.

And nobody is saying anything is literal violence - in fact the only time I have heard or seen that phrase is in connection with misgendering/dead naming

So are we including no poppies?

Agree

Misreading
I was talking not about badges but about people feeling more 'comfortable' being a slippery slope
I prefer equity and education

No, you have seen me use it here to describe this whole carry on where people who want to divide and rule have a vested interest in others being fragile and frightened

Well no, you've painted yourself into a corner where you'd have to support NHS workers wearing swastikas if the team is okay with that.

No, a Free Palestine badge does not imply someone is antisemitic and indeed they may be Jewish

I have not :)
I do not think the identity badges we are discussing are the same as 'literal Nazis'

Yes you did

So where's the line? Who decides what is okay to wear and what isn't?

OK, so you need a rule that can distinguish them. Your rule is “is the team fine with it?” That doesn’t do it.

Still interested what badges you think the doctors of Salem or Lafayette (or Berlin for that matter) would have worn.

I live in the UK. We are not like those places. Yet.

Enough fearmongering will get us there.

What sort of “equity” can there realistically be between on a vulnerable, acutely ill person who is relying on the other person’s expertise to often literally save their life?

And what sort of “education” are we planning to give the ill person? Should that be prioritised at triage in A&E?

Your argument might make sense if the proposal was that patients weren’t allowed to wear political badges to hospital so they don’t make staff uncomfortable.

But it doesn’t work the other way round, because caregiver-patient is pretty much the least equitable relationship there is.

No, that is not 'my rule'. I respect workplaces and their various teams and assume they have relevant procedures.

Earlier in the thread you said this with reference to 'white power'

I would assume that the people in charge of the place had discussed and consulted about it. Not my place to control etiquette.

So where are you going to draw the line?

"No I didn't"?
I am not into Punch & Judy either

The only education I want from a medical professional is giving me information on any medical issues I have. I don't want to know how they feel about Ukraine, or the plight of the pangolin, or who should rule Kashmir. I have my own opinion on those.

Selective misquotation
Absence of nuance
Movement towards smearing

I am out :)

No that's exactly what you said. I'll quote it in full.

You raised the spectre of lynchings and witch-burnings!

This is the post that @ChipswithMayonnaise was replying to.

And their reply was as follows at 11.58

I would assume that the people in charge of the place had discussed and consulted about it. Not my place to control etiquette.

Just to be super clear, I don't think @ChipswithMayonnaise actually thinks it would be okay for an NHS worker to wear a White Power badge if the 'people in charge had discussed and consulted about it'.

However I do think they argued themselves into a very awkward corner where they have to justify that position.

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Your entire contribution to this thread is pointless if you don’t have the courage to defend the points you make.

You said it was an infringement of freedom to prevent staff from wearing political badges.

When asked about white power you fell back to the line that it wasn’t your position to decide.

When asked what your view is you said you were making a process point about the rules: that staff collectively should decide what is OK.

Now you won’t defend that. It’s not ‘your rule’.

What, ultimately, are you arguing for here? What position will you stand by?