To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

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He was inciting violence with his “address to the nation” speech, calling for rage.

Meanwhile, he doesn’t care when women are actually murdered by the police

https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1371213488882847749?s=46

Surely enough is enough and they need to take action?

I think Farage has made it all about Farage. As per bloody usual. Is he entirely wrong about policing in this case? No, he isn't. But he is inflammatory, tiresome and entirely self interested. I do not believe for one minute that he gives a stuff about Henry or the Nowak family or just for once he might have sat down and shut up.

Yes, Farage should be arrested. However, he would absolutely love being Martyr Nigel, his brain-challenged supporters would view it as a green light to go on a massive riot and looting spree, and it would take all the heat off the finances that he's so desperate not to talk about. So, on balance, I prefer to leave him to condemn himself out of his own mouth. Decent people see him for what he is.

The footage of poor Henry is enough to make people angry. It’s horrendous.

And it’s obvious the training is leading to difficulty. It can’t be brushed away, it needs to be addressed.

Many deniers on these threads screaming it’s not political. How can it not be political when Henry died because of police diversity training?

The people who answered his call and turned out in Southampton were filmed giving Nazi salutes.

My Grandad fought in World War 2 against the Nazis. Farage and his followers are traitorous scum as far as I'm concerned.

Of course everyone should be angry about Nowak's death. There is however a major chasm between acknowledging rightful anger and making very deliberate and planned public announcements calling on your supporters for cold rage, especially when you know that those supporters will take it as an instruction to riot.

Exactly but this poster is one of those die hard maga like sheep....waste of time arguing here...

I do think there is a case for prosecuting him, not for his political views (abhorrent though they are) but for inciting violence.

I'm assuming you condemned the BLM riots as well? If not, you are not acting on principle, but political expediency.

All violence is horrible. It should not happen in any political context. But violence in this case is not surprising. And condemning this violence, while embracing BLM violence further demonstrates a double standard. Those dumb white Britons just need to read Robin Diangelo, right? If they weren't so damn stupid, they would understand that the color of their skin and the place of their birth is responsible for all problems in the world.

You can't sh*t on people for years and then be surprised when they finally react. No sensible person condones violence. But no intelligent person denies why it occurs.

OP, in the video you posted from 2021 he is arguing against having a 6pm curfew for all men. In his speech this week he condemned police actions, showed anger at the institutions that cause division and 2-tier anti-white policies, and demanded political action. Much of his speech was very similar to the reaction of many politicians, celebrities and the general public after the death of George Floyd. Did you call for them to be locked up?

Thanks for saying this. May be they will get that people have had enough of this bullying from the left. Even though I would not even vote for Farage or stay in the U.K. It doesn’t interest me to silent him when the left leaders are the same. The double standards and hypocrisy are sickening.

But that policing resulted in the killer being quickly arrested, brought to trial within six months, convicted and imprisoned. In the first five minutes of being called some junior police officers got it very badly wrong, but after that the police got it very right. Why is Farage not prepared to acknowledge that?

@YourGoldSquid Racist working class white Britons didn't create Farage. Blair, Brown, and Cameron did.

I've long said this. Farage didn't come out of a vacuum, he's been nailed on since Blair and his 'rubbing the right's nose in diversity' rubbish.

There was a fabulous piece in the Telegraph only last week by a British Hindu with the same sentiments as yourself. It was in response to the National Trust and their latest diversity drive. Apparently, the new marketing material shows Diwali in some of the stately homes. His point was that Hindus have their own temples for that, stop rubbing the white majorities noses in this elevation of minorities, sorry global majority. Middle class luxury beliefs will do for us all, and sooner than we think.

Everyone comes at it from their political viewpoint including those who still back Labour.

I think this is massively interesting actually.

it’s logical to question what are the aims of arrest vs community action.

you have presented it as a softly softly approach to Muslims because the police are scared of upsetting them.

what if it’s not that, what if it’s from many years of community partnership and investment and understanding the most effective way to get the same result?

lets say Muslims: (there are stereotypes here and real life is more nuanced I hope people can consider the theme of this without jumping on the detail)

• answer to god, not their law of (any) land
• the judgement of god is what matters to them
• they don’t respond particularly to legal/ man made “punishments” for the above reasons

if however, their community elders/ imans have a more effective form of rehabilitation, ie mentoring, community pressure, even community punishment- can you see why in these cases the police would consider this avenue?
Working in partnership to get a better result?

i think “average” people assume everyone is terrified of the police / justice system and crime can be stopped with an arrest or interview, or even a prison sentence.

The real world isn’t like that and no one is more aware of that than the police. Using other forms of intervention (obviously for non serious crimes) clearly has some impact- otherwise they wouldn’t do it would they?

Have I missed anyone saying action shouldn't be taken?
Or perhaps you just mean riotous actions
No thanks. I'll align with his parents wishes whilst you justify rioting
On the other thread one of your cronies even posted something from a dubious X poster saying his parents should be ignored
Dont pretend you have his family in mind

What has sentencing policy got to do with policing policy?

If you actually want to know the background to the rape case sentencing, listen to this - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002x5h1

What is really worrying is the percentage of people who think you are being unreasonable. 😱

"And kids, 5 new Reform voters were created with a single post."

Not sure why anyone is too worried about Farage. He is literally all talk, just like Boris, the rhetoric about immigration is just a tactic to get in to power.

If Reform get in it will just be Tory's with a slightly different coloured rosette, maybe a little more posturing but business as usual otherwise, with an added side of incompetence.

The one I am really worried about is Lowe and Restore. I hate everything he stands for, but he seems to genuinely stand by and personally believe in his causes. Now that, I find terrifying.

Were people on MN and the likes of Farage, Tommy Robinson etc talking about pure cold rage when two tier policing was the other way round and white people were less likely to be stopped and searched etc. The prison population in UK pretty much shows two tier policing as the percentage of ethnic minority prisoners is much higher than the percentage of the population in UK as a whole. When the police were shown to be institutionalised racist was Farage talking about pure cold rage?

lulz

I'm a registered Democrat.

Farage is in it for Farage. He incites his thuggish followers. He appeals to the racist mob.

Does anyone remember why these rules were brought into policing? Does anyone remember Stephen Lawrence? Does anyone remember the Met being institutionally racist (and also homophobic and misogynist), as were all police forces up and down the country. Measures were brought in to try and tackle the horrendous racism, homophobia and misogyny within the police service.

And I'm not sure why Starmer is to blame for everything, even stuff that went on years before he was PM (grooming gangs etc). He has received so much more criticism than the Tories over this, for some reason - it's so obviously a targeted hate campaign against Starmer, whipped up by bad actors using anything they can to incite violence and cause division.

This looks like a reasonable commitment from the police in this statement?