To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

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He was inciting violence with his “address to the nation” speech, calling for rage.

Meanwhile, he doesn’t care when women are actually murdered by the police

https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1371213488882847749?s=46

Surely enough is enough and they need to take action?

I have never justified rioting however ,people have the right to protest. Or do only lefties have that right?

Exactly.

I have no idea how anyone can defend these nazi-loving thugs when this country has done so much to defeat Fascism...

Why do you assume that those who disagree with you support violence in BLM protests? I certainly don't. That is why I condemn Farage for very deliberately inciting violence.

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It looks like a reasonable commitment PROVIDED you believe that it’s going to work.

But what if it doesn’t work, and what it actually produces is a dying boy handcuffed because you’ve built in a bias towards believing a guy who turns out to be the murderer?

There have been other cases of deaths in police custody, are they all due to diversity training? Or could some officers just be incompetent and lack empathy?

Exactly this.

Anyone arguing that the justice system is somehow unfair to white people is ignorant of the challenges that ethnic minorities face in this country.

I am white, my partner is not. And I am fully aware that life in Britain is more challenging for them that it is for me - due to the colour of their skin.

I heard the speech and as I recall he said that Henry Novak’s awful death illicited a feeling of white cold rage. And it does. Just like George Floyd’s death did in the US. People are understandably angry and yet they are faced with a government and establishment that appears indifferent and couldn’t care less.

I‘m no Farage fan and will not be voting reform but I can see why people do - at least he understands and acknowledges people’s deep frustration and emotional response.

Wanting to lock Nigel Farage up for ‘saying things’ is the ultimate fascist irony.

So how did you feel after watching the bodycam footage of Henry Nowak being handcuffed and let to die.

Personally and as a parent I felt so so sad that his last moments of life were pleading for help and being ignored whilst the police were more concerned with the false racism claims of his murderer.

And yes that makes me angry, not in a hot headed way that wants me to riot or throw a statue into Bristol Harbour. But in a simple cold rational measured way.

So in terms of Farage's remarks, do I feel "rage" or anger then yes, do I feel this rage in a cold rational way then yes. Do I feel this "cold rage" in a measured or pure way then yes.

So in summary I think Farage's request to react with "pure cold rage" exactly sums up how I feel. Is this an incitement to violence then I would say it's the exact opposite.

I certainly don't feel like reacting with the irrational, hot headed violence associated with the Black Lives Matter protests.

It’s not doable for police in a chaotic scene and leads to horrendous outcomes such as Henry’s death.

It needs to actually be without fear or favour.

For me, I wasnt a big fan of Farage but he has made himself more electable for me by talking truth to power. Politicians over the past 30 years have made a complete mess of this country and made us all alot more unsafe (as well as poorer) - Starmer etc couldn't care less as he has security and a good plated pension. I could weep when I compare the 90s to now and yes I do blame our leaders as other countries that pursued other policies are more cohesive, safer and richer as we should be. They would love us to not talk about all this, well tough (and it's not just the working classes who are angry btw).

We are repeating the exact pattern of behaviour witnessed in America over the last few years. Every time Trump was charged with a crime, his popularity increased.

Arresting Nigel just serves to martyr the reprobate. He represents the people, he is what the people want, let them them have it.
I think we give him far too much air time and, as my wise old grandmother used to say - what you feed, grows.

I’m amazed he’s not in jail.

It is so immature to keep referring to people who are condemning Farage as ''lefties'' .

It is not about left or right, it is about common decency and not wanting some grifter to poison communities with his hate propaganda.

Kemi Badenoch criticised Farage for playing politics yesterday. She is hardly a ''lefty''...

i would never vote for Farage however an increasing number of people are saying they will. Many feel
there is 2 tier policing and despite documents coming out proving it over the past few days, the government still deny it. The post up thread about the police speaking to Imams/community leaders being the right way to go. Why is it acceptable that a group is treated differently to others? A group that doesn’t share our cultural values and seem to hide behind their religion, demanding religious rights and special treatment. Another group, the Sikh community, using their religion to carry knives around as it’s their right. People see how the rape gangs were, and still are not, being dealt with properly, I could go on.

Whether people like it not the support for Farage and reform is growing. There has been too much immigration, too fast with not enough integration. Too many arriving expecting the UK to allow them to live under their own rules. We have enough bad people (normally men) without importing the thousands we have bringing with them their medieval practices and beliefs. Not all of them but enough that it’s had a massive impact on society.

I don’t like Farage but other politicians and equally as bad.

Henry Nowak's death is an absolute tragedy which could have been avoided. However Farage's use of the death of a teenager (and absolutely against Henry Nowak's family's wishes) to incite violence and unrest is reprehensible and he should be ashamed. I think Farage doesn't feel rage, but glee that his followers are in a violent frenzy.

This tragedy occurred because of this country's history of racism, homophobia and misogyny.

It's so fucking laughable (if it were not so serious) to say that the police are so woke and that's why Nowak died. Anti-racist policies are needed because so many people are actually racists and given a voice and pumped up by people like Farage and their lies. If you could trace a line to anyone (other than the murderer) to be responsible for the murder and the society in which this is allowed to happen it's Farage and his ilk.

The murder of Sarah Everard and multiple other events have shown that the police desperately need reform (not Reform), particularly the Met, I'm not defending the police. There are absolutely riven with misogyny and racism. Every time Farage pops up he is more revolting than the last time. WTF he is doing in between who knows. Spending the millions of pounds he got as a private "gift" from a billionaire, no doubt.

Someone is a bit salty that Farage is right. And you can no longer deny it. The proof is undeniable.

Proof of what? Even if you could prove ‘it’ (and it is genuinely unclear what you mean, although obviously I get the rough racial gist), rioting, violence and hatred cannot be the answer.

And because we clearly have to keep stating the bleeding obvious, no, I’m not in favour of it elsewhere on the political spectrum.

He died because Digwa stabbed him in the chest, ffs. The judge was clear in his sentencing comments that the wound was not survivable.

Sentencing remakrds

I think it's in para 16.

How is "police diversity training" responsible for the actions of Digwa, and how could it possibly have prevented someone dying from an unsurvivable wound?

@1dayatatime but Farage knows that using that term, many people (especially those who like to throw bricks at certain parts of the population) will only see the word ‘rage’, he knows exactly what he is doing.

And again I ask where was Farage when two tier policing was the other way round?

George Floyd was American. Does our pathetic PM get down on his knees for all people murdered by the police, you know like Sarah Everard, or just black, male Americans for some reason ?

No mention of the treatment if Henry in the last moments. Nine times he said I can’t breathe, four times I’ve been stabbed.

Surrounded by liars and the perpetrator he was dismissed, handcuffed, arrested and ‘don’t think you have mate’.

Why have you quoted me to offer rhetoric that doesn't address my comment? Your argument here is based solely on your incorrect assumption that I do not condemn all riots, when I assure you I do.
My comment to you was to make the point that you are stupid to support Farages rabble rousing and cowardly to hide this behind your lie that its the 'majority working class' who want to see riots on our streets.
And you are quite wrong in your belief that its the way people who have been treated that has led to this violence.
The majority of working class people will have had no experience of police bias against them because they are white. They are multiple times more likely to have been exploited by landlords, employers and lost opportunities to the wealthy and privileged. So by your logic there should be riots every day.
This violence has happened because Farage has marshalled a bunch of thugs looking for an excuse. Don't try to excuse him or them.

Ok sorry he died at the hands of a racist whilst police watched on doing nothing BECAUSE OF DIVERSITY TRAINING

That is due to police incompetence, not diversity training.