To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

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He was inciting violence with his “address to the nation” speech, calling for rage.

Meanwhile, he doesn’t care when women are actually murdered by the police

https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1371213488882847749?s=46

Surely enough is enough and they need to take action?

Should people not be allowed then to discuss whether there is two tier policing.

Besides Derrick Campbell, director of the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC), has warned that discussion of the case could risk prejudicing the investigation.

Are there any other political topics that you disagree with where you would like their discussion banned?

@1dayatatime but no-one is calling it two tier policing where ethic minorities are unfairly treated, more likely to be to stopped and searched etc That’s been going on for years. Where is Farage’s pure, cold rage for that?

Still using Henry’s death as a political football I see. Something that his parents have specifically asked not to happen. But you’re ignoring that like the hateful Farage because manipulation and winning are more important to you than caring about his family or his memory or genuinely fixing social issues in our society.

You can always tell those people who really care. Because they know there isn’t one simple answer. They know that causing divisions doesn’t help. They look at all potential solutions. They pull together and work collaboratively.

People like Farage and Trump couldn’t recognise collaboration if it hit them in the face. Because they’ve got to where they are by being divisive, by using their privilege, by playing the victim when it suits them and by victimising others when that suits them.

If you swallow all of their venom. If you play the same games they do then you’re not interested in the victims you just want to be top of the heap.

A bit like the bad apples arrested on violent marches, who Jones has offered to bail out. Double standards just keep on coming.

This is the section of your previous post that I was responding to:

'Sarah's murder was by one disgusting police officer. Policing in Henry's case is a systemic issue, moulded by inadequate knee jerk guidelines. I don't think the police are full of Wayne Couzens, do you?'

There have been systemic issues of racism and misogyny in the police for decades.

I wouldn't be OK with anybody rioting. There were peaceful protests and vigils following Sarah Everard's murder with a very heavy handed response from the police.

The bad apples taking part on marches are not responsible for policing the public.

People are outraged. See the picture. On the M8 in Glasgow hundreds of miles away. Just bigots, I suppose...

No but somebody like Owen Jones needs to keep his nib out when he's jumping on the inciting hate bandwagon. OK for him to pipe up when he's got his own dodgy past concerning the rape of women.

At least the people who put the sign up aren't obstructing traffic and harassing people going about their business, I suppose.

Yes... people were encouraged to take the knee for a career criminal and sex offender.
But when a young innocent white man is ignored by police in favour of the ethnic murderer... people can't get angry about that?
Are we only allowed to get angry if the victim is black and the perp. white?

Oh, God forbid people concerned about a young man's senseless murder would inconvenience anybody.

Edit for spelling.

Why should Owen Jones, a British political commentator and journalist, keep his nose out when right-wing, fascist adjacent Elon Musk can't shut up about British crimes and political issues that have nothing to do with him? Musk is always inciting hatred and violence against minorities.

None of the Farage fan boys and girls gave a second thought to the direct plea from Henry Nowak's father when he said that "we do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred or tension". They just went out and did it anyway.

Apart from the fact that the murder of a young man has been described by the OP as "a one off" how insensitive.

Yes it is. What I am saying is that it’s ironic because those going on about talking about this being divisive are politicising this just as much. If you think that people having an opinion on whether certain communities are policed lightly is divisive then that’s cool think that. But personally I don’t think that’s divisive. Everyone should be policed the same. I think that’s very much a non divisive opinion.

Farage boys and girls? Wow. I tell you why Jones should wind his weasel neck in. He downplayed the rapes of Jewish women so I'm not really going to join in on his chorus of now using Sarah's murder to get at Farage. He's doing exactly why you're saying Farage is.

In reference to it being commuted by a Sikh person. How is that insensitive.

This is spot on, it is exactly the same approach and it seems many have not learnt the lesson of 2016.

And their favourite accusation is that others are thick - the irony

Of course it's not spot on. It's a huge logic fail. How can calling people who support Reform names be responsible for making them support Reform, when if they didn't support Reform already, they wouldn't be called the names?
Besides, even if it were true, surely it would work both ways, and all the moderates called naive, woke, snowflake, virtue signallers, pearl clutchers etc, for speaking against Reform, would be pushed to the left. So it would all even out.

Oh I thought this thread was about Farage - silly me for taking the thread title literally.

Maybe because different ethnic groups have different arrest rates or do you see this as a result of racism. If so why do Asians have a lower arrest rate than Whites?

Black people account for 75% of arrests. I’d be astounded if they commit 75% of crime.

Agree. I never get this argument. People who claim that it pushes people to vote Reform were always going to do so anyway regardless of whether they’re called stupid or any number of names. And, ironically, if they vote for a party purely based on the fact that they have been called stupid and not because they agree with their policies, then they are, in fact, stupid 😂

It’s like an abuser throwing a punch and then screaming, ‘Look what you made me do!’ They don’t like taking accountability for anything. It figures really when they follow someone like Farage.

@1dayatatime do you not see that as racism (based on the percentage of these ethnicities in general population) and the fact that there have been reports that the police are institutionalised racist. But why isn’t that called two tier policing, why hadn’t Farage called that out? You can be racist against a particular ethnicity so don’t threat them all the same.

Where did you get that figure from???

It would undoubtedly be racist if you start from the premise that all ethnicities commit criminal acts in exactly the proportion as each other.

Alternatively it could be that different ethnicities commit different levels of crime- there maybe a multitude of different reasons for this such as low incomes, unemployment, single parent households etc. My unsubstantiated position is that if you took a group of young males with poor education that are not in employment then there wouldn't be a lot of difference in the arrest rate due to ethnicity.

Besides if there is institutional racism then why doesn't this show up in the custody rate after conviction?