To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

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He was inciting violence with his “address to the nation” speech, calling for rage.

Meanwhile, he doesn’t care when women are actually murdered by the police

https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1371213488882847749?s=46

Surely enough is enough and they need to take action?

I used DARVO expression because racial bias has been happening in the police for years against minorities but funnily enough you don’t give a shiny shit about that, but God forbid a person with white skin is tragically killed and it’s somehow different now. It is sickening.

Still downplaying Henry’s brutal death I see

Vile post

I’m not downplaying anything. I’ve said on the other thread today it’s tragic and heads should roll in the police, like what else do you want? Blood? Am I not showing enough rage for you? Would you show this amount of outrage no matter who is stabbed, by whom?

By calling out the contrast in responses between crimes against different races, why does that mean I’m downplaying a tragedy? What nonsense.

Surely the point is NOBODY should be killed because of their race like Henry was and when they need help, they should be protected by the police no matter what ethnicity they are as that is their job

Exactly NOBODY should be killed, but nobody shows the same level of empathy dependant upon what colour their skin is, or what their religion is, or their ancestry, that’s my point. And to suggest the police are against white people is just ridiculous.

People unfortunately just use tragedies such as this to justify their own biases and cruelty towards people.

I bet you now Nigel will use this tragedy to justify their stripping of the Equalities Act, so that when/if he gets into power and wants to make himself and his billionaire backers richer, he can do what he likes, he makes the rules. Ordinary citizens have no recourse. No workers rights either, and no ECHR. People will be cheering for all our rights to be taken off the back of this.

All our rights that have been fought for since the end of WW2 to stop governments abusing their powers will all be gone. Now, I wonder what he wants to do such a thing for! If you think he’s just going to take certain rights away, I would think again.

How do you know Henry was killed because of his race? All we know is that the murderer accused Henry of racism to try and justify stabbing him? We don’t know that Henry was stabbed for racial reasons.

It could have been a case of the murderer being a mad man going about finding someone to stab just because he could. It could have been any number of things that caused the murderer to fly into a rage. Has the reason been reported?

That is irrelevant to the point I made.

Exactly. And we also don’t know whether the police didn’t properly check the victim because of race either. What we do know is that the killer and his family attempted to confuse, obfuscate or otherwise mislead the police, who still made a massive error in diagnosing the victim’s condition, that’s undisputed, but that they attempted to arrest him “because of woke” or whatever is a leap.

When a police officer makes an awful, tragic mistake during the first five minutes of coming on a fairly chaotic situation at night time in winter, Farage demands cold rage against the police. When a police officer murders a woman, Farage says that anger against the police would be wrong.

So for Farage and his supporters, apparently only white men's lives matter.

So much irony in this thread.

Those going on harping on about the right/ far right/ whoever politicising this - are the ones also politicising this!

Something very serious has happened here. It’s not a left or right issue. It’s not even a divisive issue which people keep saying. Where’s the division. No one is going on about Sikhs. This is quite clearly being seen as a one off.

But it has bought up the issue about the racial guidance. It is wrong. It needs changing.

The police also need retrainining. They did a horrendous job on nearly every front.

Politicians need to get a grip. This is simply about right and wrong.

It’s being made a divisive issue by Farage and everyone who is suddenly claiming the police are anti white and they’re scared for themselves/their sons.

Making false equivalence between this and the George Floyd case. It just smacks of blatant desperate opportunism to paint themselves as victims and justify their prejudices. It’s just not reality, but fingers will be in ears about that.

No idea why you are fixating on Farage or George Floyd or anything apart from the actual incident and the actual issues. I have heard hours of discussion on this topic by now and not once have I actually heard Farage speak.

There are plenty of people having serious conversations.

The title of the thread is about Nigel Farage. Do you think that might have something to do with why I mentioned him? You also asked where is the division, I answered and also gave an explanation on why it was divisive, it’s because he, and members of the public, are making it so. Is that alright with you?

Yes. The police will be investigated and the training / guidelines probably changed.

I see Owen Jones is leading with the argument about Sarah Everard. That's not politicising a murder though? This would be the same Owen Jones who said he didn't see any evidence of rape on 7th October. Seems only some women matter when he's using it to score points. Sarah's murder was by one disgusting police officer. Policing in Henry's case is a systemic issue, moulded by inadequate knee jerk guidelines. I don't think the police are full of Wayne Couzens, do you?

Did you not hear him stand up in Parliament and make a little speech, refusing to condemn the violence and saying that it would probably get worse?
The man's despicable.

An excellent balanced post.

As the posts from some of the officers in the same WhatsApp groups as Wayne Couzens can attest, there are lots of police officers with the same vile views on women and minorities. Wayne Couzens wasn't just one bad apple.

Wayne Couzens and other Metropolitan Police officers participated in grossly offensive group chats (such as the one called "Bottle and Stoppers"). The chats contained racist, homophobic, and misogynistic messages, ableist jokes, and derogatory remarks aimed at women, people with disabilities, and domestic abuse victims.

Details of the content revealed in these Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) investigations included:

Sexual Violence & Misogyny: Members discussed raping and sexually assaulting women, including a female colleague. Couzens and others made light of domestic abuse victims. Another officer described physically restraining a 15-year-old girl as a "struggle snuggle".

Violence Toward Vulnerable Groups: Officers made jokes about Tasering children, animals, and people with Down's syndrome, with Couzens and others actively participating in the threads.

Racist Remarks: The group exchanged grossly racist views, making derogatory comments about diverse areas of London, referencing the Duchess of Sussex, and joking about Muslims in the context of terrorist bombings.

So it wasn't just 'one disgusting police officer', it was a whole culture of misogyny and racism.

As other posters have pointed out, after the murder of Sarah Everard, Nigel Farage posted the following comment:

'We must not allow the tragic murder of a young woman turn into attacks on men and attacks on the police.'

The difference in his reactions to these two tragedies is stark.

Your comments are straight out of the GB news bingo card of responses to anyone criticising Farage.

Change the record.

Since many think Farage has some kind of superpower, if he had said cold hard rage was needed back then, all his critics would have welcomed that? If women had rioted, you would have been OK with that?

I don't why some posters struggle with the concept that there are people who reject rioting whoever's doing it. You could save yourself a lot of time posting "but what about if X did it" if you could accept that.

The whole reason the 'DEI' (to use shorthand) initiatives were put in place in the first instance was due to deeply ingrained racism, misogyny and homophobia in the police. The police WhatsApp group Cozens was part of shows not much has changed. And there appears to be far more than just a single bad apple in that particular barrel.

@Pippin2017 the talk of two tier policing is quite offensive to people who have suffered and still suffer from the racism, homophobia and misogyny that has been in the Police for years. It’s not like that has disappeared as if by magic.