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To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

935 replies

nobodyssons · 04/06/2026 07:05

He was inciting violence with his “address to the nation” speech, calling for rage.

Meanwhile, he doesn’t care when women are actually murdered by the police

https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1371213488882847749?s=46

Surely enough is enough and they need to take action?

Nigel Farage MP (@Nigel_Farage) on X

We must not allow the tragic murder of a young woman turn into attacks on men and attacks on the police.

https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1371213488882847749?s=46

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BackToLurk · 04/06/2026 12:52

Dollymylove · 04/06/2026 12:44

Its not bullshit and while you're abiut it have a look at some of 2tierKiers other human rights work

Yes it is. Bullshit for the gullible.

olivepicanto · 04/06/2026 12:53

JuliaBraverman · 04/06/2026 12:40

Pure cynicism

Well, maybe you can say why this awful murder is so much worse than all the others. Why are people having a go at the prime minister?

Why are people rioting?

Dollymylove · 04/06/2026 12:54

olivepicanto · 04/06/2026 12:31

🤣🤣. The man is a grifting, trump wannabe that appeals to the same type

Are we having a minutes silence for every stabbing murder?

This was a terrible, terrible incident but why now?

No, just black American drug addicted criminal ones

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 12:54

BackToLurk · 04/06/2026 12:52

Again we’re back to be expected to believe that officers possibly followed one set of guidelines to the letter, while disregarding another set of guidelines.

No where have I said that?

The training is the issue and should be changed, the people who use it agree and are urgently reviewing it.

The actions of the police are being looked at specifically too.

I haven’t said what you claim as I don’t believe it’s the case.

JuliaBraverman · 04/06/2026 12:55

Cherry8809 · 04/06/2026 12:44

I strongly implore you to watch the documentary The Fall of Minneapolis. It’s available to watch on YouTube.

Chauvin was completely and utterly fucked over and thrown to the lions.

The very restraint he used, which the chief of police testified was not approved, was right there in their training manual (which the court refused to be admitted as evidence).

George Floyd had a significant amount of fentanyl (11ng/m - the coroner reported that he had previously reported fatal overdoses in individuals with levels as low as 3ng/m) and methamphetamine in his system, which he is believed to have ingested during his initial interaction with the first police officer on scene. He is shown on body cam footage putting something in his mouth and swallowing - which was the exact same thing he did during a previous arrest and almost overdosed.

He also had hypertension, coronary heart disease and an enlarged heart.

It should have been involuntary manslaughter at worst - this was no more than a bargaining chip to try to restore order after serious civil unrest.

I thought the George Floyd event was the icing on the cake for Minneapolis, but apparently not….

BackToLurk · 04/06/2026 12:56

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 12:54

No where have I said that?

The training is the issue and should be changed, the people who use it agree and are urgently reviewing it.

The actions of the police are being looked at specifically too.

I haven’t said what you claim as I don’t believe it’s the case.

It’s the implication. Officers receive yearly training on use of handcuffs, which they ignore, but blindly follow diversity policies to the letter.

MissMoneyFairy · 04/06/2026 12:56

The people that need locking up are the ones allowing knife crime to increase, those aiding criminals and passing pathetic sentencing.

JuliaBraverman · 04/06/2026 12:57

Dollymylove · 04/06/2026 12:44

Its not bullshit and while you're abiut it have a look at some of 2tierKiers other human rights work

No because the actual truth has no place when virtue signalling is the main event!

1dayatatime · 04/06/2026 12:57

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Whammyammy · 04/06/2026 12:58

Farage is correct on this. We've all been aware of tier policing for some time, and that poor young man that bled to death whilst in handcuffs is proof.
That poor lads last moments were spent in pain, handcuffed on the floor because his attacker made up lies about hurty words and the police lapped it up and handcuffed the actual victim.

Also you have Kier Starmer taking the knee for an American criminal that died in police custody, but not for one of his own citizens.

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 12:59

BackToLurk · 04/06/2026 12:56

It’s the implication. Officers receive yearly training on use of handcuffs, which they ignore, but blindly follow diversity policies to the letter.

The diversity policies are the issue, it’s a political problem to be resolved. If police follow them, in fact they have to, it’s not something they personally can resolve without the training being changed.

That comes from the top.

Handcuffing etc and their lack of assessment will come up in their specific investigation.

sittingonabeach · 04/06/2026 13:01

Why wasn’t there talk of two tier policing when it was the other way round. Where was the outrage from the same people who are outraged and protesting now. I don’t remember that phrase being used before

Sskka · 04/06/2026 13:02

olivepicanto · 04/06/2026 12:53

Well, maybe you can say why this awful murder is so much worse than all the others. Why are people having a go at the prime minister?

Why are people rioting?

Because the police attended, sided with the murderer, put the poor victim in handcuffs, and it’s probably anti-racism training which led them to do that.

Honestly. How can you claim not to understand why people are so furious about this case?

JuliaBraverman · 04/06/2026 13:04

Whammyammy · 04/06/2026 12:58

Farage is correct on this. We've all been aware of tier policing for some time, and that poor young man that bled to death whilst in handcuffs is proof.
That poor lads last moments were spent in pain, handcuffed on the floor because his attacker made up lies about hurty words and the police lapped it up and handcuffed the actual victim.

Also you have Kier Starmer taking the knee for an American criminal that died in police custody, but not for one of his own citizens.

Hope your view is the majority view as there are still plenty apologies on here

carchi · 04/06/2026 13:07

nobodyssons · 04/06/2026 07:25

I ask again - where in that document does it say white people should be handcuffed because of their skin colour?

Oh, it doesn’t. But unfortunately a lot of this country has lost the ability to think critically, as well as their literacy.

Why have we lost the ability to think critically ? just because we don't agree with your view.

JuliaBraverman · 04/06/2026 13:08

Dollymylove · 04/06/2026 12:54

No, just black American drug addicted criminal ones

White British boys can rot in hell is the subtext. Knees for black career criminals…. Nothing for Henry

1dayatatime · 04/06/2026 13:12

So this is the quote from Starmer today: "We really need to listen to Henry's family because they're asking us as politicians, as leaders, not to use his case to whip up division, not to cause disturbances. We have to listen to them."

Just to clarify my intense calm anger (or "pure cold rage") after watching the body cam footage of Henry Nowak's death is not directed at the Sikh community but at the Police for a) having a two tier policing system and b) having anti racism policies that state they are not to treat all ethnicities the same and not to be "colour blind".

For clarity the Sikh community is one of the most successful, contributing and integrated of religions within the UK. However there are bad apples in all walks of life and his actions have been thoroughly condemned by the Sikh community.

The anger is directed towards the police and their policies not the Sikh community.

BackToLurk · 04/06/2026 13:14

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 12:59

The diversity policies are the issue, it’s a political problem to be resolved. If police follow them, in fact they have to, it’s not something they personally can resolve without the training being changed.

That comes from the top.

Handcuffing etc and their lack of assessment will come up in their specific investigation.

The diversity policies are possibly an issue. They are not the only issue, and pretending they are, or that they are undoubtedly the main issue that led to Henry’s death only makes sense for those with an agenda to get rid of all diversity policies. That is Farage’s position, so let’s not pretend he, and others, are coming to this with an open mind.

HopefulYankee · 04/06/2026 13:15

I don’t like Farage but this is a free country and what he said was not illegal, therefore he should not be locked up. People have the right to an opinion however odious it may be.

BackToLurk · 04/06/2026 13:18

1dayatatime · 04/06/2026 13:12

So this is the quote from Starmer today: "We really need to listen to Henry's family because they're asking us as politicians, as leaders, not to use his case to whip up division, not to cause disturbances. We have to listen to them."

Just to clarify my intense calm anger (or "pure cold rage") after watching the body cam footage of Henry Nowak's death is not directed at the Sikh community but at the Police for a) having a two tier policing system and b) having anti racism policies that state they are not to treat all ethnicities the same and not to be "colour blind".

For clarity the Sikh community is one of the most successful, contributing and integrated of religions within the UK. However there are bad apples in all walks of life and his actions have been thoroughly condemned by the Sikh community.

The anger is directed towards the police and their policies not the Sikh community.

There has been at least one thread MN about people ‘coming here’ and being allowed to carry weapons. So I wouldn’t get so complacent about anger not being aimed at the Sikh community.

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 13:20

BackToLurk · 04/06/2026 13:14

The diversity policies are possibly an issue. They are not the only issue, and pretending they are, or that they are undoubtedly the main issue that led to Henry’s death only makes sense for those with an agenda to get rid of all diversity policies. That is Farage’s position, so let’s not pretend he, and others, are coming to this with an open mind.

They’re being assessed and urgently even the people who determine the policies acknowledge there’s an issue.

InterIgnis · 04/06/2026 13:20

olivepicanto · 04/06/2026 12:31

🤣🤣. The man is a grifting, trump wannabe that appeals to the same type

Are we having a minutes silence for every stabbing murder?

This was a terrible, terrible incident but why now?

Because this was the boiling point where it spilled over. George Floyd was also a boiling point.

Why an event becomes that is down to
timing for the most part. The wider context is a country with a government widely
perceived to be weak and unstable, in an economic malaise. There’s also the fact that this came on the heels of the grooming gang controversies, and the case of the traveler children being spared jail
for gang rape. From a PR standpoint, the optics are truly fucking terrible. People like Farage thrive in these periods because they know how to exploit them. He’s presenting as the strong man to Kier Starmer’s weak man.

Effectively combating it means understanding there’s a huge emotional
element to how people are feeling, and rationality isn’t always an effective counter when they’re running this high (and it certainly isn’t when considering the prevailing narrative of ‘the elites’ ignoring and talking down to the stupid little people).

Now would be a good time to do something highly visible and concrete, which doesn’t mean just launching an inquiry and doubling down on unpopular policy. Henry Nowak’s family asked for no violence, but they also expressed support for changing the law to remove religious exemptions. Invoking the former but completely ignoring the latter just makes the government look cynical and self serving.

BackToLurk · 04/06/2026 13:22

Looking forward to Nige’s response that the inquest will look at the police’s role in Henry’s death because Article 2 of the Human Rights has been triggered.

olivepicanto · 04/06/2026 13:22

InterIgnis · 04/06/2026 13:20

Because this was the boiling point where it spilled over. George Floyd was also a boiling point.

Why an event becomes that is down to
timing for the most part. The wider context is a country with a government widely
perceived to be weak and unstable, in an economic malaise. There’s also the fact that this came on the heels of the grooming gang controversies, and the case of the traveler children being spared jail
for gang rape. From a PR standpoint, the optics are truly fucking terrible. People like Farage thrive in these periods because they know how to exploit them. He’s presenting as the strong man to Kier Starmer’s weak man.

Effectively combating it means understanding there’s a huge emotional
element to how people are feeling, and rationality isn’t always an effective counter when they’re running this high (and it certainly isn’t when considering the prevailing narrative of ‘the elites’ ignoring and talking down to the stupid little people).

Now would be a good time to do something highly visible and concrete, which doesn’t mean just launching an inquiry and doubling down on unpopular policy. Henry Nowak’s family asked for no violence, but they also expressed support for changing the law to remove religious exemptions. Invoking the former but completely ignoring the latter just makes the government look cynical and self serving.

A very comprehensive response and thanks for your viewpoint.

I don't live in the sort of neighbourhood where people behave like this so I was genuinely struggling to understand why this has become so huge.

1dayatatime · 04/06/2026 13:25

BackToLurk · 04/06/2026 13:18

There has been at least one thread MN about people ‘coming here’ and being allowed to carry weapons. So I wouldn’t get so complacent about anger not being aimed at the Sikh community.

So to be clear you have no problem with certain ethnic groups in society being allowed to carry weapons in public and other ethnic groups not? Rather than equality for all before the law?

I think it is exactly this lack of equality before the law (or two tier policing) is what is making people angry (or "rage" if you prefer)

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