To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

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He was inciting violence with his “address to the nation” speech, calling for rage.

Meanwhile, he doesn’t care when women are actually murdered by the police

https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1371213488882847749?s=46

Surely enough is enough and they need to take action?

He showed more respect than that cunt, that's for sure.

You've got it exactly back to front,

The police document called for racial equity, i.e. treating people differently to achieve equality of outcome.
It explicitly said it was not racial equality, i.e. treating people exactly the same, even if this leads to unequal outcomes.

Here is an example using disability:
An office has three steps up to the front door. Treating all job applicants strictly equally means that they all have to get in through the door by themselves, even though one is in a wheelchair. So equal treatment, unequal outcome.
Providing a wheelchair ramp means one candidate gets 'special' treatment because of their wheelchair, so unequal treatment, but it leads to an equal outcome in that all candidates get in through the door safely. This latter is what is meant by 'equity'.

It is a matter for debate as to whether, and to what extent, non-white people need unequal 'special' treatment to get equal outcomes (i.e. racial 'equity'). This is what the uproar over the document is about.

And what the hell is going to do about it? NOW?? No, I didnt think so. He will be booted out shortly so he will kick the can down the road.

If you read the context of my post it is clear.

PP said Keir Starmer hadn't said what a woman was.
I said he has and provided evidence.
You said it had taken a while.
I said PP had lied.

Sadiq Khan: "The death of George Floyd has rightly ignited fury and anguish."

Criticise them both, or neither.

https://x.com/mattwridley/status/2062114596832321675?s=20

Farage sure demonstrates some double standards. This was about the murder of Sarah Everard.

I think you may be the type of person I'm referring to. I haven't met a single person who did their 'own research' during covid who hasn't ended up a sandwich short of a picnic. What were these other outlets? Did you fact check them or believe them blindly? Were they reputable? Every outlet has an element of bias, but some are entirely biased and using lies and misinformation to further their agenda. All of the people I've met who did their own research during covid believe nonsense like the Pizza Gate conspiracy and think covid was a hoax.

In 2021 Starmer said "It's not right to say that only women have a cervix". He only changed his mind after the Supreme Court ruling on the definition of a woman. It should never have got that far.

It's all related to where we are today. When you have politicians who pander to people and are too scared to speak the truth for fear of offending anyone common sense goes out the window and that has a knock on effect on everything else.

Hard agree! 'Do your own research' inevitably means going down a conspiracy theory/hard right rabbit hole of nonsensical social media.

DEI is just an acronym for Diversity Equality and Inclusion.
It is the currently fashionable term for the policies and political movement that has been around for decades. Many HR departments up and down the country have stuck the new acronym on more or less unchanged existing policies.

Critical theory, including critical race theory and queer theory, is indeed a dangerous and pernicious thing, a totally skewed way of looking at the world.
It is being smuggled in under the DEI banner, but is not the same thing as DEI more widely and sensibly applied.

In 2021, Starmer said that asserting only women have a cervix was "not right" and "something that shouldn't be said", criticising Rosie Duffield for her remarks.

I just don't see how any right-thinking person can deduce from that, that Starmer, in 2021, knew what a woman was.

If you're saying the same as me, my apologies. I'm not really clear what you're saying.

That should mean not treating anyone differently until all facts have been gathered.

Yes that's what it should mean, but in reality that's not what happens in lots of cases. The police don't look beyond the easy. There are many possible reasons for that. Officers are overstretched, incompetent, badly trained. Focussing purely on 'diversity training' doesn't solve any of those problems. Sure, look at what if any role policies played in decision making, but don't make it the entire story.

Surely the police know that sometimes a supposed victim is not who they say they are?

It is also not news that people who have committed crimes claim to have been injured when they haven't to try and avoid being cuffed or arrested. None of these things are straightforward. In this case the police appear to have acted incompetently. However, Farage et al's contention that "diversity policies made them do it" does't stand up to much scrutiny.

No because that is two tier policing that directly leads to the grooming gangs, the banning of Israeli football fans and the weekly hate marches.
If a Christian and a Muslim commit the same crime they should both be arrested and charged community partnerships should have no impact on legal consequences

You know the Welsh Choir Boy who butchered wee girls in Southport last year? His parents were to be refused asylum years ago and were due to be removed from the country. Guess who the Human Rights lawyer was who represented them in court, and won them the right to stay? Our Esteemed Prime Minister, Sir Keir Starmer... Oh, he shows respect all right, but to whom....?

There is a 2 tiered policing system, on lots of areas they can’t do stop and search despite knowing that certain ethnic groups are running massive drug rings as it’ll cause that ethnic group to riot.

Why does that not stand up to scrutiny?

Utter shit.

In certain Glasgow neighbourhoods, Police Scotland are terrified of Pakistani gangs, won't stop and search them, and treat them with kid gloves. Meanwhile, indigenous youths are fair game.

Do you think that the lines from the constabulary's own diversity training course have been made up then?

Maybe you haven't bothered to open a newspaper-any newspaper-to actually read them.

That does seem to be the case but I can tell you that millions have read them, have understood them and are appalled that in this country police are being told that

"It does not mean treating everyone the same or being colour blind (racial equality."

That quote from The Police Anti Racism Commitment document was even quoted in The Guardian and it is fucking outrageous.

The shit of ethnic minorities stinks the same as the shit of a white man-they are not angels sent from on high who must be believed the minute they accuse someone of racism.

That, at the moment, is the case. There's plenty of division.

However, unsophisticated people like you, maybe a little bit dim, keen to be seen as politically correct, wanting a pat on the back, easily manipulated, still keep spouting the same old shite that they have been told to say even when The Guardian has to report the total dangerous bollocks contained in the Police Anti Racism Commitment Document.

Luckily, you and others like you-albeit vocal-are fast becoming a minority as the rest of are starting to wake up and are no longer frightened of being called, racist, far right or other lower 6th form insults.

We say do not give black or brown criminals special treatment and if that's racist well, so be it. We don't give a fuck.

What about the lawyer acting for the HO. HE failed to present a convincing argument, HE failed to secure a deportation order, HE failed those girls.

In the Harehills riots, the police 'retreated' to avoid conflict with the crowds.

In Southampton, this did not happen.

Why?

Scratching my head over that one!

So long as Polanski is his cellmate

If that was aimed at me, you should maybe pause to ask people what they think rather than making assumptions. I agree we're allowed to be angry and I am angry at politicians.

Because it ignores every other factor, it ignores the fact that suspects have died because of police incompetence before, it fails to demonstrate any connection between how these specific officers behaved and any 'diversity training' they may have had.

We don't know why the police behaved as they did. Some people will jump on 'diversity policies' because they don't like diversity policies. Generally these will be the same people who won't accept that the police have a longstanding problem with endemic racism (and indeed misogyny), which necessitated the introduction of such policies.