2 Tier Britain and Policing - Digwa

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Just heard Nigel talk about this on LBC following Digwa sentencing. Also saw the video... I'm shocked and so saddened. Not sure what my aibu is but I think we need to ban all religious weapons for a start . What do u think ? Are you in police ? Are you treating people differently?

The Nowak family said they didn't want hate and division. No one is going around attacking Sikhs, that would be hate and division. What they are doing is protesting at the inactions of the plods who were on the scene and why they acted as they did, what caused the belief that 'racial attack' should be immediately accepted and why was a gravely ill boy handcuffed as he laid dying.

You know we had BLM for months, loads of looting loads of rabid protestors. That was freedom of speech apparently so try to have a bit of understanding that people are indeed allowed to protest strongly about other horrific deaths too.

TR is a thug who has been convicted of numerous crimes including fraud. He isn’t my kind of person and I would never vote for or support him.

He was also the first person to blow the whistle on the rape gangs, for which he was called a liar and a racist by Jeremy Vine on live television. They demanded evidence and said it couldn’t possibly be true.

🤷‍♀️ two things can be true at once.

I'm a firm believer in if we had strong leadership in Government and our public bodies like the police, the likes of Nigel Farage and TR would be on the fringes. But they are not. The reason TR and Farage get the publicity they do is because there is a lack of talent to counter their arguments. A strong Labour/Tory Government would dominate the headlines and counter Farage/TR but our weak leadership is running scared and just does not have the talent or will to face down Reform. Don't blame Nigel, blame the weak elected representaives in Government. We need better.

God it’s worse than I thought.

And I thought it was awful.

Daily mail have released the full 3 minute footage from arrival.

The murderer and his family stood and watched him die for 15 minutes whilst concuting stories, filming him, hiding evidence and didn’t call an ambulance even though he pleaded.

They should all be in jail. All of them.

I can’t find any evidence of looting on BLM protests - perhaps you can?

It’s disgusting. I actually cried. At the end of the day he was young and had his whole life ahead of him. He was someone’s son. Imagine being his family knowing he went through so much suffering and was just completely dismissed.

It's so depressing that the same people who've been talking about the dangers of "I don't see colour" for years are now applying it to Henry's case.

You're kidding. You've been going relentlessly for hours

Mine must be better. Or do your recollections vary and you thought everyone was singing kumbaya?

In the United Kingdom
June 3: In the evening, following the demonstration at Hyde Park in Central London, clashes erupted as part of the protest group advanced further into Central London on their way to Parliament Square. Protesters climbed onto window sills on the walls of the HM Treasury building, spraying Black Lives Matter graffiti on the Treasury and surrounding buildings.[42] Thirteen people were arrested after physical altercations broke out outside the gates to Downing Street.[42] Temporary barriers and bottles were thrown over the gates, and groups of protesters attempted to breach them.[42] Objects including signs and a traffic cone were thrown at police.[42]
June 6: In Central London, protests outside Downing Street started peacefully but later turned violent after a group started throwing bottles and other objects at the police. Mounted police were eventually sent in to push the protesters back, one mounted officer fell from her horse after it ran into a traffic light. In all, 14 police officers were injured during the clashes, including two with serious injuries, and at least 14 protesters were arrested.[43][44]
June 7: In Central London, BLM protesters clashed with police near King Charles Street, forcing the deployment of the Met's public order unit to quell the violence. At least one policeman suffered an injury to his head.[45]

No looting then? What’s the source of that, by the way?

Have we really got to the stage of arguing my set of protesters are better than your set of protesters? Fucking hell have we sunk so low?

TR was not the first ‘to blow the whistle’ on the rape gangs. Many women beat him to it Julie Bindel and Ann Cryer among them.

The Police can't enforce their own standards. Sara Everard, the selfies with the 2 dead girls, the Chief Constable lying about his medals, it's constant.

No we haven’t. We’ve got to the stage of correcting lies.

I can’t believe it. He was so brave and so strong to hold on that long. You can tell he just knew there was no hope when they started reading his rights and that’s when he just laid down and died. So inhumane. There was absolutely no reason to cuff him.

Well we cannot accuse the 92% White police being “racist” against a white boy. Because that does not make any sense whatsoever.
And a whole lot of underclass uneducated mob boys or teens going against a whole lot of white working/lower middle class white police officers is also quite tragic.

So who is to blame?
It is the people who wrote the guidance and trained the police wrongly or confused them?
It is the people inciting and using the white uneducated underclass boys/teens and writing them off further. And includes the politicians going way too harsh on them and not stopping the incitement via social media. Because they are too scared/incompetent to pass laws to stop it quickly.
Because essentially they are all cowards out for themselves primarily.

So there is a vacuum of strong leadership. There has to be stronger guidance and rules for all.

Stop nit picking and recognise our elected representatives need to do better. All this stupid point scoring is achieving nothing.

Haven't read the full thread, so apologies if this has already been posted, but I think this tweet makes some good points:

Please just shut up with this "I'm respecting Henry Nowak's family's wishes" nonsense. I'm hearing it from countless people on the left, and it completely misses the point. Here's some much needed context..

When families release statements after a high profile killing, it is extremely common for lawyers, media advisers, victim support organisations, or police family liaison officers to help draft, review, or shape the wording. Phrases such as:

• "We do not want this tragedy to cause division."
• "Please do not use our loved one's death to spread hatred."
• "We ask people to remain peaceful."
• "We do not want tensions between communities."

are standard in these kinds of statements. You can research it yourself if you think that's inaccurate.

NO, I'm not suggesting that Henry's family didn't genuinely mean what they said. They very well may have. What I do reject is the claim that their statement was a demand for everyone to stop discussing the case, stop asking questions, and stop scrutinising what happened. In fact, the family themselves highlighted concerns about how Henry was treated by the police and suggested that those responsible may need to face legal consequences. Calling for people not to spread hatred is not the same thing as demanding silence. Those are two very different things.

We've probably been thinking that for 30 years but possibly both Badenoch and Starmer are thinking they are facing a real threat that they will lose the next election or they will be forced into some deal with Farage/Reform and lose the leadership of their respective Party. They have 3 years to make changes and that clock is ticking.

What I do reject is the claim that their statement was a demand for everyone to stop discussing the case, stop asking questions, and stop scrutinising what happened

Who has claimed that? Who is he referring to?

Eta: a look at his Twitter account is illuminating. He is making jokes based on what the police said to Henry Nowak whilst he was dying.

You said 'Perhaps my google’s broken because I can’t find any reference to violence at a BLM protest' so perhaps admit you were mistaken. I remember vividly the violent protests I'm surprised you don't. Here's another link for you of the 'non existent' violence.

Freedom of speech and protest only allowed in certain circumstances depending of the ethnicity of the victim?

Ah so it's only a riot if someone steals a pair of Nike trainers or a TV. Got it.

So if arrests are made without looting is that still not a riot?

Who is this?

No we are correcting lies. Other protests have been equally as chaotic yet supported and encouraged by many on here and politicians. 'Free speech' apparently.

These protests are voicing the outrage may feel by the actions of the police. They are blaming the police. It isn't about hate and division.

Politicians a few years ago were 'politicising' the death of someone in another country which led to weeks of violence yet in this tragic case we have to just shush? Nope.

You said looting. No evidence of it yet.