2 Tier Britain and Policing - Digwa

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Just heard Nigel talk about this on LBC following Digwa sentencing. Also saw the video... I'm shocked and so saddened. Not sure what my aibu is but I think we need to ban all religious weapons for a start . What do u think ? Are you in police ? Are you treating people differently?

The "left" hasn't been in government for "years". Unless you class 14 years of a Tory government as "left"?

So if 'the Left' had just been a bit more racist, none of this would have happened?

Undermining Britain, exactly what has been lost?

I think the far right take their inspiration from the US and social media and the First Amendment. And like I said, what is legally acceptable there under their consitution, can constitute a crime in this country. And whilst in theory people are responsible for educating themselves, we know and the establishment knows that they are talking about groups of quite illiterate and undereducated persons. Now Farage is exploiting that. However, the establishment also needs to take some responsibility and issue some clearer guidance in common sense language on what our laws here actually mean. And advertise it and perhaps insist that right wing news outlets advertise it more widely too.

I happen to agree that some policies have gone too far. The pendulum has swung too far and needs a reset
But that is a far cry from supporting the vile hate spewed by Reform and worse and TR.
Blaming the left for rioting and aligning with their views is pathetic. Take accountability for who you support, what you parrot and what you do

They’re rioting because they’re disrespectful scumbags, end of story.

There is a difference between protest, and aimless violence. Once it steps over that line, you’ve stopped being a concerned parent and started being an arsehole.

Your son who isn’t dead?

Henry Nowak’s parents don’t get to say the same thing.

Get some respect.

Undermining what? We have our beloved sovereignty. We can hang up bunting, eat scones and moan about foreigners. We have not floated away into the North Sea.

Oh don’t be ridiculous- I’m afraid of the way people like my son are treated and portrayed. Do you only get a voice when your child is dead?

You font give a toss about the parents, you are just trying to emotionally manipulate people because the protests don’t fit your world view, so maybe you stop exploiting the parents.

Your world view is no longer accepted by the majority, people can protest to protect their children to ensure they don’t die in similar circumstances. Show some respect for the concerns many parents have

I am far more respectful of the wishes of a man who’s son has just died, than I am of someone who thinks meaningful change will come from throwing burning bins at police men.

I have absolutely no time for a single person who attends those protests with the intention of storming a police station, vandalism, or violence. Zero. They’re idiots.

Call that judgment what you will.

Many of those protesting have been reported for VAWG. The Far Right are involved.

Are you happy to stand alongside them?

@ChunkyMonkey36 Throwing bins and raising the colours, what a load of nonsense.

People are being manipulated by greed and fake scarcity. This country has many rescources and opportunities for all. Mismanagement, greed, corruption have got us into this mess. Farage is hideous opportunist.

Be honest, how often do you disparage the poor as 'racists' and cringe at the sight of your own flag? It's honestly ridiculous, virtue signalling nonsense..thankfully this horrendous and tragic murder might lead to the beginning of the end of people's sick attitude towards British people despite them welcoming with open arms people from literally every corner of the globe..

Wherever you go there will be individuals who do things you don’t agree with, my husbands boss got arrested for child pornography, it doesn’t mean my husband can’t go to work.

On the pro Palestinian marches there will undoubtedly have been misogynistic individuals, people who see women and gay people are second class citizens. In the Green Party the deputy refuses to support gay rights. Both the Greens and Labour are riddled with antisemitism, are You happy to stand with them?

Is that why they are ripping up the countryside around us building thousands of new homes on much needed flood plains and farm land?

Or they could be required to carry the kirpan in such a way that it cannot be easily removed for use.

I used to be involved in events which involved period costumes, many of which were military. Participants were allowed to wear swords and daggers as long as they were wired into a scabbard and/or securely attached to a belt.

Police on duty at these events would sometimes check that any bladed weapon couldn't be grabbed and used.

@Whysnothingsimple - I agree there is an argument for moderate peaceful protest alongside them. If nothing else, you can actually set a good example. Surely @TopPocketFind could agree with that?

Personally, I would be too chicken to get caught up in it all, but if you feel strongly, you have the right to peaceful protest just like anyone else. Also, it is not like the police can be too harsh on those protesting peacefully as otherwise they will be proving Farage’s two tier policing argument for all to see.

I assume you don't socialise with your husband's ex boss?

As for the antisemitism, anti gay rights, misogyny you mention, they were all present at the riots last night alongside neo nazis. They are not keeping your son safe.

Or
You want peaceful protest. You abhorrent racism and vile rhetoric

You organise a peaceful protest and be mindful of the company you keep and messages you are sending

@Araminta1003 I have no issue with peaceful protests

Yesterday was not that. Farage called for cold rage and that was what he got.

The people there disregarded the Nowak family' s request not to use his death to spread division and hatred

Farage did not even have the decency to condemn the violence.

Exactly this

One might even suspect he's detracting from his £5m

You either condemn violence or you dont
You either respect the wishes of the parents or you dont

Obviously I do not agree with Farage’s rent a mob mentality. But I do also feel like some of these young men/boys even don’t really know what they are doing. And just saying the “full force of the law” will reign down on you isn’t really enough. Not sure what the solution is.
The World Cup starts on 11 June, so they will lose interest by then at the latest, in any event (hopefully).

The same happened during the Southport riots, young children getting caught up in it and joining in.

I don't know the solution either but blaming immigrants, false statements about 2 tier policing and calling for cold rage is inflaming it.

Neo nazis and white supremacists were rioting in Southhampton yesterday, that should worry everyone. Egged on by the likes of Farage, Yaxley Lennon and Musk.

“I don't know the solution either but blaming immigrants, false statements about 2 tier policing and calling for cold rage is inflaming it.
Neo nazis and white supremacists were rioting in Southhampton yesterday, that should worry everyone. Egged on by the likes of Farage, Yaxley Lennon and Musk.”

Unfortunately we cannot legally stop Nigel Farage as he is now an established politicians. People need to make their own minds up for themselves and going too harsh seems to lead to the opposite.
So personally, I think if all those who think they are pro Reform want to join in and go see for themselves, as long as they abide by the law and do it peacefully, perhaps they need to go in person.

I don't know about 'we cannot legally stop Farage'.

Inciting violence? £5m donation?

Reform voters will continue to defend Farage, he shows them who is over and over again, they know and they agree with him.

It's the ones who claim not to support Reform but defend them regardless that should have a good think.