2 Tier Britain and Policing - Digwa

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Just heard Nigel talk about this on LBC following Digwa sentencing. Also saw the video... I'm shocked and so saddened. Not sure what my aibu is but I think we need to ban all religious weapons for a start . What do u think ? Are you in police ? Are you treating people differently?

I do not have a problem with refugees whatsoever.

I do however have a massive problem with attention seeking activists showing up insensitely with placards when a boy died. It is offensive. I am finding the level of extreme activism in central London quite aggressive and intense now and I think it needs curbing. I do not see why some people have to express their views to the point of infringing other people’s day to day lives and shoving it in their face.
I gave the trivial example of my own child who is in year 7 being aggressively accosted on a Sunday out with his friends for eating an icecream by animal activists. They were aggressive and intimidating and in any event my child was eating sorbet. There has to be more guidance on what these extreme activists can and cannot do. I am finding a lot of them offensive now. And I am definitely not right wing.

I never said I didn't comment, I said I didn't comment on the presence of the protesters, I was commenting on the placards and the way that poster was describing the people holding them.

The parents said "We do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred or tension. We want his story to help make our streets safer for everyone".

So Farage should STFU

A speech he regretted. It’s Farage and Lowe’s entire political raison d’etre.

Mahmood gave a good speech though today (and a good response to the opposition). She is definitely one of the better one’s Labour have. Shame they and others cannot see it.

FFS this is happening in MY neighbourhood.

My neighbours are a mix of Muslim, Sikh, Hindu.....and me.

Southampton is extremely multi cultural. Always has been, being a major port.

The perpetrator (and his brother and Mother) are to blame, NOT the entire Sikh community, who are just as appalled and horrified as anyone.

I've heard threats of marches by Tommy Robinson's gang around here. He can FUCK OFF.

Any brain dead thugs coming up my street will be met by me. I will stand with my lovely neighbours.

I agree. I'd much rather have her have a run for leadership than burnham.

Also, it's so easy to be wise after the event.

Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage aren't the ones with egg on their faces. They aren't surprised at the two tier criminal justice system and neither of the majority on this thread. Wonderful news that Digwa's sentence is going to be reviewed.

‘I don’t think you have mate’ really isn’t near wise.

But this is the problem isn't it - when Labour say something dubious, it's a ' mistake', whilst others are castigated for saying pretty much the same thing. It's double standards.

Not really. At no point has any mainstream political party predicated its entire existence on race until Farage and Lowe came along.

Changing times require changing policies. Nothing stays the same, and we have to adapt instead of burying our heads in the sand

Did you hear the police officer say to Henry before that :
"You've been stabbed? Where abouts have you been stabbed?" - he didn't get a reply from Henry.
Then, after looking inside his jacket (admittedly not a full body search), "no. I don't think you have mate".
The judge in the case commented that it was dark, Henry was wearing dark clothing.
The fatal wound led to profuse internal bleeding.

Nothing about the statement you’re quoting is racist.

Bit hard to answer coherently moments before death.

I can’t breathe and I’ve been stabbed is probably all Henry could say.

And handcuffs meant no free hands and further distress.

Yes, I thought she did a fantastic job. I thought the speaker was also effective given the sensitivity of the issue.

Henry was collapsed, a witness said he had blood in his mouth. He 'wouldn't stay upright'. Even the footage that we saw and the cyanotic colour of his hands showed he was gravely ill.

'It was dark', well I could see he was collapsed so the gormless plods should have as they were there.

I disagree. You and I both may dislike reform/restore but to say their whole manifesto will be based on race is reductionist. They've tapped into entirely valid concerns on housing/jobs/nhs waiting lists/crime/education/the breakdown of the social contract, some of which correlate with higher levels of immigration in poorer communities. Out of interest I did a little search the other day on which jobs are on the skills shortage list for visas, and was shocked by the findings - data entry/florists/butchers etc are all still on there, yet we have a NEETs crisis where over a million young people can't secure an entry level post in the UK. That's crazy. And entirely indicative of why you can't dismiss people's concerns as invalid.

That’s over the top imo. Have you any idea what kind of crap police have to deal with now?

We are already nearly at the point where policing is barely able to function because they dare not touch the offender. I know people who’ve watched police watching as offenders run off on their bikes - the police can’t stop the offender in case they fall off an hurt themselves.

I bet the police hear ‘I’ve been stabbed’ or ‘I can’t breathe’ from every criminal they arrest who knows they’ve got rights. And then, if the police let them up for a minute, the criminals run off, take a swing at the coppers, or might even stab them.

In this case as soon as they - the police - knew there was an injury they did their best to help. If you want police in this country they need to be able to act, and people need to recognise how many avoidances criminals with more rights than the law-abiding can come out with.

The blame for this incident lies with the violent attacking thug, not the police.

It’s obvious to most of us, and has been for some time, that there is two tier policing, and two tier justice.

It has been heading that way for years, under both the conservatives and labour. Most of the silent and tolerant majority are starting to wake up to the unfairness of this and are recognising patterns where people are treated differently for similar crimes.

There is always a push to not politicise a crime, when it is committed by an ethnic minority, when in actual fact this means don’t stir up civil unrest.

Sikhs btw usually have a good rep. This came as a surprise.

'I bet the police hear ‘I’ve been stabbed’ or ‘I can’t breathe’ from every criminal they arrest who knows they’ve got rights'

Yeah but this one was collapsed, practically unresponsive and going from the cyanotic colour of his hands we can assume his face was a just as pale demonstrating massive blood loss.

These people should be able to differentiate between a collapsed gravely ill individual and those making up the 'i can't breathe' crap.

Although your comment might be used against you by the die hard race baiters, I agree with you.

And able to talk?

I further think - it’s a while since I had any involvement, but I think that the first time the police hear a complaint, it’s obviously from the first person who reported it: and the initial response is naturally then in favour of that first complaint. That changes depending on what the police uncover. There can be a benefit to reporting first because of that.