2 Tier Britain and Policing - Digwa

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Just heard Nigel talk about this on LBC following Digwa sentencing. Also saw the video... I'm shocked and so saddened. Not sure what my aibu is but I think we need to ban all religious weapons for a start . What do u think ? Are you in police ? Are you treating people differently?

I haven’t excused anything but go off.

It's important to know why he was even handcuffed. Presumably if he was physically hurt he wasn't immediately posing a threat to anyone. People aren't handcuffed for sunoky using bad words, what on earth happened here. Can only assume the officers were a bit thick.

Henry drowned in his own blood… Watched by his killer and police who should have been helping him. It’s dystopian, disturbing and downright shocking

It is, just awful. Poor boy.

Ok sorry let me rephrase

'That is what politicians should do, highlight the absolute incompetence of some in our police force'

The family themselves have thanked the investigation team, the police liaison officers, the prosecution team.

The stupid pcs at the scene who did not recognise that Henry was collapsed, in a catastrophic state <despite him being collapsed and in a catastrophic state> and didn't immediately summon paramedics and initiate first aid are the incompetent plods I'm referring to.

So posters are saying the incompetent plods are to blame… I don’t deny this however have they not been so indoctrinated in their training especially since BLM that diversity, inclusion and equality becomes the most important issue to them on the streets? I would say it’s the establishment to blame and not the plods.

It's both. There's certainly a lack of critical thinking post indoctrination.

Is politicising race the same thing as talking honestly about it, with data etc.?

No. Politicising race is what Farage and Lowe do.

Hmm, I'm not sure why my post above has been deleted. I think it's perfectly valid to state that SUTR are unable to answer any questions put to them.

Yes of course but when presented with someone collapsed they should have immediately administered first aid and asked questions later, not cuff him. We've all seen the harrowing footage. How they did not clock immediately the seriousness of Henry's condition is astounding.

They aren't fit to issue parking tickets nevermind police the streets.

Apparently so.

ALL political parties are prone to doing this though, are they not? It's not that long ago starmer gave his impassioned speech about an ' island of strangers', lest we forget?

I asked the poster if they thought the phrase 'refugees welcome here' was 'sick'

I do not see a problem with that slogan.

Keep trying to read what I post without making assumptions.

They deserve something harsher than being 'disciplined'. What they did amounts to criminal negligence!

What is the difference between 'politicising race' and 'discussing it'?

You can say it if you want, it isn’t sick, but to me refugees are not welcome because we are densely overpopulated and do not have the infrastructure or housing for any more people.

You can say it if you want, it isn’t sick, but to me refugees are not welcome because we are densely overpopulated and do not have the infrastructure or housing for any more people.

You cannot just blame police. It is Parliament that allowed a knife carried for religious reasons to be a legal exemption. If that were not the law, the murderer would have been handcuffed immediately for having a weapon on him.
The politicians are deflecting blame onto young police officers and the matter will be investigated now. But the judge seemed to think it was largely fine. I think the sentence itself and whether high enough has also been referred to the Attorney General.
At the moment, it seems it is increasingly the police and the judiciary getting the blame. But it is Parliament that makes law in the first blame. If you let them get away with deflecting blame and not also taking responsibility, the law won’t be changed. Remember the judiciary just applies the law and guidelines as they are. It is the politicians and legislative that make the law and allow people into the country etc and make the education system as it is. They are the architects of the system. They like to blame those who enact the system, but ultimately the blame falls on them as the architects of it.

Well thank you for finally admitting you did comment! That's a start. On its own, there is obviously nothing wrong with the phrase, but the context in which it was used is hugely problematic. A young murdered boys vigil, where he was stabbed to death for a racist act he didn't commit, wrong wrong wrong. It's a huge slap in the face to his poor bereaved parents.

That is your opinion,you can say what you want as well. Twice if you must.

We disagree.

We’re nothing like densely over populated. The Netherlands has higher population density than the UK and a much happier population. The UK also has a falling birth rate.

“They deserve something harsher than being 'disciplined'. What they did amounts to criminal negligence!”

There is no causation @StandFirm - an expert witness testified that Henry would have died anyway from the initial dagger wound into his lungs which was deep and fatal. No amount of medical assistance would have changed that.
What would have been different is that Henry could have been comforted and had some dignity in his last moments alive. Instead he was made to feel like a perpetrator which is heartbreaking. But the police officers according to the evidence did not in any way contribute to Henry’s death (at least not according to the evidence heard in court).

I agree. Especially because the police screwed up so spectacularly in this case. It's an awful case and therefore an easy one to manipulate and turn into a rallying cry.