Nicola Sturgeon STILL didn't know her husband stole £400,000

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Follow on from previous thread.

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My view is that she probably didn't know what was going on (at least to start with or the full detail) but whether that's because she didn't want to know so didn't look too hard only she knows.

But I think the things she has said recently about 'not consciously noticing the motorhome, or if she did she probably would have thought it was the neighbours' are clearly post-facto rationalisation. The level of lack of engagement in her own life that her account of things would have required is astounding - and this from someone who was supposedly qualified to run a country (and a £55bn-ish budget).

So she either turned a blind eye or her marriage was such a sham that she was not close enough to see what has happening. Neither of these are good things.

And the whole 'poor me, I'm living a sentence for a crime I didn't commit' make me feel very angry when you think about the sentences that some people have had to live eg not being able to see dying family or go to their parents etc funerals during Covid. It's the STAGGERING lack of self awareness that really jars with me.

I’ve not looked at the spreadsheets, but was the Motorhome one of the more recent purchases? Like a ‘FFS, Nicola!’

If she’d said ‘I assumed my MiL let the neighbours use her drive’, it might have been plausible.

For the moment I will remain outraged that they had £££ coffee machines BUT underwhelming mugs.

Well, perhaps. I’m just saying it’s demonstrably not true that only the poor support independence.

As I said I myself would be very worried by the prospect of indy happening and would vote, and probably even campaign, no. But it’s important to engage with the reality if we want to understand what is going on in our country.

She was a First Minister, who was subject to ministerial responsibility.

Daily accounts were below her oay grade yes.
However any leader should have sat up and taken note when allegations of a £600k fund going missing were raised.
She shoild also have paid attention when half the finance comittee resigned when her husband would not allow them access to the booms to audit them.

Instead she threatened the exec to silence in a leaked video.

No idea if she did the pilfering. But she was certainly hell bent on covering it up.

She was an MSP. My MSP at one point. And the worst MSP I ever had. Only seen on polling day, never answered a query.

So you don't know. Thanks for clarifying. Your friends and colleagues "loathe" a woman who was working class? There's a surprise. Your judgement of "poor people" with shit lives says more about you than it does about them. Especially when most of the "poor" are probably too invested in their work, family and friends to be sitting in their "professional" jobs "loathing with a passion" a woman who tried to help the very people you're being so nasty about.

In my opinion, it's not the "poor" who have shit lives. It's people like you I feel sorry for.

She wasn't FM. Alex Salmond was and Kenny McAskill was Justice Minister. She inherited their policies. Two men.

Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt

You would do well to take heed of this.

She was an MSP, which I assume was the nitpicking point made.

As FM she was able to change policy pretty sharpish when there was public uproar.

You don’t know me at all. I come from poverty. Most of my family still live in poverty. They voted Brexit, as do their neighbours because their lives are shit and they think how much worse can it get. They didn’t understand how much poorer their lives would be post Brexit, they just thought it worth a gamble. They live in Wales so SNP isn’t a party they can vote for. They just vote for whoever is going to give them most in benefits and not make them look for work. I don’t blame them. There’s not much work to be had.

Things that would improve my life? Better education. Ditch free tuition and use the money to properly invest in education where children can get a safe, calm education.. That and fund a functioning CAMHS.

Is Nicola in the room with us right now? It certainly feels like so.

The efforts to excuse Sturgeon from any responsibility whatsoever are absurd.

No. Someone brought a man into a discussion about a woman and I commented on it. The reading comprehension on these threads is as dire as the knowledge about the Scottish Parliament and who did what, when.

Were you there when she did it?

As I’ve said elsewhere in this debate, she was as much a feminist as Margaret Thatcher was.

Nicola Sturgeon has the opportunity to make misogyny a hate crime when she was in her protected bubble and didn’t so and has the audacity to complain about it now.

Nicola Sturgeon could not even state publicly that the convicted rapist, Isla Bryson was a man.

She did nothing to progress female rights when she had the opportunity to do so.

I also thought Sturgeon was decent when she took over but that didn’t last long and I could tell something was off about her. She seemed obsessed with selfies and getting her face in front of a camera. Major covert narcissism vibes.
All she had was sound bites but no real policy.
She used identity politics as her weapon of choice. I think a part of her is enjoying this media attention even though it is negative. Like I say, major covert narcissism vibes. These people are always heroes or victims.

Then she got the greatest gift for a narcissist like her: the pandemic. There she got the opportunity to pontificate daily about how she was taking the right decisions to save us all. The stats showed otherwise. Like all good comrades, she tried to keep on the CMO Catherine Calderwood despite her being exposed as a hypocrite. It was a sign of things to come from Sturgeon.

Watching her during the pandemic gave me a taste of what I imagine it must have been like living in socialist Germany. Run by self proclaimed virtuous leaders surrounded by yes people spouting nonsense about what’s good for the country. While in the meanwhile the country burns and very few are winning.

I disagree with the "lower incomes" but completely agree with the age thing.

Which part of Scotland do you live in? Just a general area.

She shut down questions about where cash was being spent. She ignored auditors who resigned in protest at not having access to the information needed to do the job. She made recorded statements telling people to stop questioning whether the SNP finances were being properly managed.

In ordinary busniess that makes her culpable.

An excellent read for a Monday.

Are you saying I'm thick? This seems to be the default reply from GC women to women who are inclusive feminists. Which actually negates the GC women from being feminists as no feminist would try to shame a woman the way you just tried to. Unfortunately for you, you haven't made me feel that something has "escaped" me.

I just view you as a mysognist.

Still wasn't an MP.

I have no time at all for NS and am also gender critical so you’ll know my views on the GRA, men in women’s prisons, etc. I am absolutely anti independence too. But I have separated this current “ did she know” question from that. It’s possible to despise the politics and anti women policies whilst considering this separately and reaching an independent conclusion.