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If you are Reform are you ok with this repulsive man potentially becoming an MP and representing women in parliament?

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Johnogroats · 27/05/2026 14:51

Robert Kenyon, the “cheeky local chappie” who is standing for Reform in Makerfield is on record as making some shockingly sexist comments and statements. Reform are standing by him.

Can I ask the women on here who are Reform voters if they are ok with the him remaining a candidate given what I cite below. Btw I am absolutely not, but I’m not and never will be a Reform voter for a variety of reasons.

  1. Retweeting a post about performing a (graphic description) of a sexual act on Carol Voderman.
  2. He has attacked women as being promiscuous and accused them of taking any decision to have an abortion lightly. He wrote, “reproductive rights, women's rights, they can dress it up all they want.
  3. They're deciding to kill a baby inside the womb. What they mean is they want to shag anyone they want. And if they get caught, they get a second chance and treat it as a secondary, last form of contraception.”

Either you think this is ok (don’t understand how anyone let alone a woman could be ok with it) or presumably you’ll be contacting Tice and Farage etc to drop him.

Interested in your thoughts.

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CurlewKate · Yesterday 08:17

Also, there is no chance of the Greens forming the next government….

Johnogroats · Yesterday 09:16

tramtracks · 27/05/2026 16:16

I think the comments made to and about JK Rowling from members of the Labour and Green Party are far far worse and deeply misogynistic.

Neither are ok of course, but to imply somehow that one Reform wannabe MP is singularly worse than the trans supporting JKR haters doesn’t really wash.

I think the abuse that JKR has suffered is appalling. I’m not sure the comments are worse (but doubt I’ve seen all of them). If they are in the same league those people should absolutely be sanctioned. But here I’m focused on the current news about Kenyon. He may be a mere wannabe MP but seems to me at least to be entirely unsuited to represent the women of his potential constituency.

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CurlewKate · Yesterday 09:27

I’m sure members of the Labour and Green Party say appalling things too. This man is a prospective parliamentary candidate for a party that may well form the next administration.

Johnogroats · Yesterday 09:36

TheSparklyLemonSloth · 27/05/2026 21:47

  1. There is such a thing as the law of unintended consequences. Benefits as a safety net is generally a good development but no one would argue that there aren't cases of entitlement and over-reliance on handouts. Assisted dying might be well-intentioned but there are hideous examples of it being the thin end of the wedge. I think it was in Canada where a young man with diabetes recently took the decision to end his life, to his mother's anguish. Safe access to abortion can be seen as a good thing but of course some women do use abortion as contraception, which was never the intention, and it is irresponsible. I had a shocking conversation with a 16 year old many years ago, who told me that her friend, 17 at the time, never used contraception and was about to have her second abortion. Abortion should be a last resort.
  2. Carol Vorderman had a lot of work done to make herself look (stereotypically) sexually attractive. One man then found her sexually attractive, and another one retweeted the first's comment....shock, horror!
  3. There is a big difference between SAYING something and DOING or NOT DOING something. The Reform candidate has SAID some things you may not agree with, that you think may indicate worrying attitudes towards women. Let's look at what the Tories and Labour, who have been in power, have DONE and NOT DONE, that have had real consequences for women. They HAVE allowed, for decades, mass immigration from misogynistic cultures, so that, in 21st century Britain, we are dealing with FGM, honour killings, grooming gangs.... also Labour and Conservatives HAVE NOT dealt with the invasion on the south coast, so unvetted, undocumented males, free to roam about, are able to murder (Rhiannon White, stabbed to death with a screwdriver, so her little boy is now without his mother) and rape.

OP, don't worry so much about what candidates SAY. Ther're allowed to have opinions and you can argue with them if you want. Look at what candidates/politicians DO and DON’T DO in terms of POLICY and how that affects women and girls. Conventional politicians like Starmer nd others are too polished to retweet crude sexual comments and I don't recall him criticising some of the women who seek abortions. But he didn't want a national enquiry into the grooming gangs and he's done very little about the small boats.
It's the conventional, "respectable" middle class politicians who women should be worrying about.

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I’ve scrolled back to find this as you’ve asked why I hadn’t responded. TBH I’m not sure what you want me to say. But…

  1. Yes. Agreed. Laws need to have safeguards. Personally I’m pro assisted dying WITH appropriate and sensible safeguards…. The proposed law needs scrutiny and I guess parliament will come back to that one day.
  2. Re Vorders. What you say is vile. That tweet was repulsive and intended to humiliate her. You are saying that anyone who makes the most of themselves is inviting abuse. Just gross.
  3. Kenyon has repeatedly said vile things and shown us who he is. On him that’s enough for me to think at the least Reform should deselect him. With regard to other parties…. It’s bloody hard to change the course of a supertanker in 2 years. I think Labour / Starmer have been politically inept at times. I don’t think Starmer is a bad person. He wasn’t covering up child abuse as a report had been done. He had to change his stance (good thing) after Louise Casey I think looked into it. I know small boats numbers have been bad over this weekend but overall the immigration numbers are surprisingly headed in the right direction.

Hope that answers your points.

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AImportantMermaid · Yesterday 09:37

Here’s the thing - people vote for people like Kenyon BECAUSE they say things like that, not IN SPITE of them saying things like that. It’s like voting for Trump. The first time he was elected president, many voters possibly didn’t really know what they were getting. The second time round, they absolutely knew; they knew he was a rapey racist misogynist who cheated on his wives, slept with prostitutes, and was a leading character in the Epstein Files. They knew he was a liar and a hypocrite and a bully and a cheat. And enough people liked that about him to get him reelected.

We get it wrong when we believe everyone wants equal rights for all. The fact is that lots and lots of people really, really, don’t.

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WheresMyHatGone · Yesterday 10:55

Sewciopath · Yesterday 07:26

Same. None of them have showed their face around here yet though. They seem to have certain areas that they are targeting.

I think they are targeting a distinct demographic. I doubt we will see him in my area as he won't want to be challenged on his views nor do I think he has the intelligence for a sensible discussion about them.

5128gap · Yesterday 10:58

AImportantMermaid · Yesterday 09:37

Here’s the thing - people vote for people like Kenyon BECAUSE they say things like that, not IN SPITE of them saying things like that. It’s like voting for Trump. The first time he was elected president, many voters possibly didn’t really know what they were getting. The second time round, they absolutely knew; they knew he was a rapey racist misogynist who cheated on his wives, slept with prostitutes, and was a leading character in the Epstein Files. They knew he was a liar and a hypocrite and a bully and a cheat. And enough people liked that about him to get him reelected.

We get it wrong when we believe everyone wants equal rights for all. The fact is that lots and lots of people really, really, don’t.

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I'm inclined to agree with you. While decent intelligent people will see Kenyons tweets and feel horrified that an individual like this could be elected to our government, other crude, regressive specimens, of low intelligence and dubious morals will be cheering him on.
The men who think catcalling school girls in their uniforms is a great start to the day, that can't control their hilarity when their mate shouts 'tits' at a woman from the van, who subject women to their creepy unsolicited attentions, they'll all be delighted at the thought of 'one of the lads' sticking two fingers up at the 'woke brigade' spoiling their fun.

Sewciopath · Yesterday 10:59

WheresMyHatGone · Yesterday 10:55

I think they are targeting a distinct demographic. I doubt we will see him in my area as he won't want to be challenged on his views nor do I think he has the intelligence for a sensible discussion about them.

You have hit the nail on the head there, or should I say hit the pipe with the nail as dodgy plumbers often do!

Johnogroats · Yesterday 11:39

AImportantMermaid · Yesterday 09:37

Here’s the thing - people vote for people like Kenyon BECAUSE they say things like that, not IN SPITE of them saying things like that. It’s like voting for Trump. The first time he was elected president, many voters possibly didn’t really know what they were getting. The second time round, they absolutely knew; they knew he was a rapey racist misogynist who cheated on his wives, slept with prostitutes, and was a leading character in the Epstein Files. They knew he was a liar and a hypocrite and a bully and a cheat. And enough people liked that about him to get him reelected.

We get it wrong when we believe everyone wants equal rights for all. The fact is that lots and lots of people really, really, don’t.

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Really sad but I’m sure you have a point. Still don’t understand why women would vote Kenyon… but I do t understand why they went and still go for the pussy grabber.

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Nemesis54 · Yesterday 11:44

Yes I am

Quokkas · Yesterday 12:18

2dogsandabudgie · 28/05/2026 17:47

Strange how things change. A couple of years ago on here the left were claiming that the Tories were the 'evil' party and vilifying anyone who supported them.

What do you mean? Are you suggesting previous left wing voters on here have now changed to supporting Reform?

nomas · Yesterday 12:35

Johnogroats · Yesterday 11:39

Really sad but I’m sure you have a point. Still don’t understand why women would vote Kenyon… but I do t understand why they went and still go for the pussy grabber.

I'm guessing those women / people think they're safe from those risks. So they would trade sexism to women (who are faceless/nameless to them) in order to see the things they do want (ICE abuse).

EarthlyNightshade · Yesterday 12:37

I think Reform voters are fine with it because he is a means to an end. They want to stop immigration, he will not oppose that.

I also suspect they may be surrounded by people who generally speak about women in this way and are used to it.
And as someone mentioned above, people know who Trump is and still vote for him.

I would like to challenge poor behaviour across all parties. I don't buy into "they are all as bad as each other" - this is not an excuse to allow it.
And the "knows what a woman is", well... lots of very unpleasant men know what a woman is.

Quokkas · Yesterday 12:38

nomas · Yesterday 12:35

I'm guessing those women / people think they're safe from those risks. So they would trade sexism to women (who are faceless/nameless to them) in order to see the things they do want (ICE abuse).

Yes, I agree. Much like that Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party meme (‘I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party).

Whammyammy · Yesterday 13:38

But reduced chance of my grandchildren being sexuslly assaulted or stabbed 🤷

Quokkas · Yesterday 13:43

Whammyammy · Yesterday 13:38

But reduced chance of my grandchildren being sexuslly assaulted or stabbed 🤷

Why? 🤨

Bushmillsbabe · Yesterday 13:51

Happyjoe · 28/05/2026 00:23

So who has refused to engage? Who exactly? What? Are you blaming Labour now too and trying to pretend otherwise?

They HAVE a government who is reducing immigration right now. Numbers are down with immigration (not reported in the daily mail & express on the day, I wonder why!). Anyway, it's not being believed as you say, boats have come down for the moment, returns have stepped up, inherited backlog being worked through by employing more people.
Deals being made for other countries for the UK to help with growth. NHS waiting times are supposed to be falling. Chip chip chip away. Can't undo 14 years of mucked up tory gov in 2 years with little money, but hey, who cares about reasonable expectations? Any good news isn't believed with Labour, any bad news is taken as the truth.

No, what will get Labour voted out is a largely right wing media and people being too stupid to question it or blinded by their prejudices. Farage being an excellent oil snakesman. The state of the country that was caused by an awful tory government, brexit, covid too and now we've another war to add to the mix, through no fault of the UK but in this day and age, people expect instant results.

Are you talking about immigration vs emigration? Or just immigration? If the vs option, have you looked at how many higher tax payers have come in vs out etc? If the net immigration is down because we are loosing skilled higher paid workers that is not a good thing.

NHS budgets have been slashed in real terms over past 2 years - my nhs team has had to cut costs by 10%. The school for which I'm a governor is going into deficit for first time in 15 years due to real term budget cuts, and that's after cutting several TA's. The infants my youngest attends (year 1) is much more restricted in what it can provide than when her older sister (year 4) was there.

Whatever figures released by Labour say, many people are experiencing higher taxes with poorer services. DH and I are middle rate earners and when we voted Labour at last election we expected to be paying a significant amount of tax under labour, but we did not expect our daughters educational experience to get worse under labour, or my nhs budget to be cut and me having to explain to my team and our patients that we can no longer provide the same quality of service that we did a few years ago. People are hearing all this rhetoric from the labour publicity machine that there is more funding and more appts, when the opposite is actually true. We are working with life limited children and families put their trust in us at one of the toughest times of their lives, so to feel like we are letting them down is really tough

Bollihobs · Yesterday 14:13

coulditbeme2323 · 27/05/2026 15:05

There is one for you - if your Google is down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g05pkqyxko

God that's awful.

"zionist juicer" FFS.

RollOnSunshine · Yesterday 14:16

The alternative is Burnham probably becoming PM. So yeah I am very happy for Reform to win that seat.

NellieJean · Yesterday 14:16

If you are Reform you won’t care unless he isn’t repulsive enough in which case there’s always Restore

Johnogroats · Yesterday 14:22

Nemesis54 · Yesterday 11:44

Yes I am

Would you care to elaborate? Why (Immigration?) and if so what do you think about Kenyon? Would you prefer if reform chose someone else or are uuu cool with his sexism and repulsive statements?

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Johnogroats · Yesterday 14:26

Bollihobs · Yesterday 14:13

God that's awful.

"zionist juicer" FFS.

@Bollihobs it is dreadful and unforgivable. The difference is that the Greens deselected her and she wasn’t elected. So far reform leaders are happy with Kenyon.

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Johnogroats · Yesterday 14:28

RollOnSunshine · Yesterday 14:16

The alternative is Burnham probably becoming PM. So yeah I am very happy for Reform to win that seat.

please tell me (as a non Labour voter who knows very little about Burham) why he is so dreadful you’d rather have a misogynist?

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