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AIBU to report nut-containing muffins being brought into a nut-free school?

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AlmondFlourmuffins · Yesterday 19:06

I’m really conflicted whether to keep quiet about something or not . If I say something it will be completely obvious it was me that reported.

Dd best friend always takes in a homemade muffin to school as has packed lunch. Dd had a play date and when I picked her up said that she had some and can we make them for her lunches after the half term break so I asked for the recipe.
One was a ‘Bakewell muffin’ made with almond flour and glace cherries the other was a peanut butter chocolate and banana marbled muffin. The thing is it’s a nut free school and when I said ‘oh I’m surprised you’ve got away with this’ after she shared the recipe she just laughed. Now I’m feeling like it’s wrong?

I know in the class there are no nut allergies but I have no idea obviously about the rest of the year/school. But if I say something is it going to cause a massive problem ? This is dd best friend and I just don’t know what to do ?

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Rpop · Yesterday 20:50

Brokentoes85 · Yesterday 19:14

Kids have literally died from allergens in schools.

Yes, I would speak again to the parent involved and say - been thinking about the muffins and and I don’t think it’s a good idea in a school as it really does put some children at risk….
I have a son with a severe sesame allergy and it’s declared a nut and sesame free school. Lots of children do have packed lunches so I really hope they respect this. It’s so annoying when a handful of people decide rules don’t apply to them.

Rpop · Yesterday 20:51

Blueeberry · Yesterday 19:43

Any food can be an allergen. Milk allergy (also very common) is actually far more dangerous in terms of aerosolisation/cross contamination but nobody would think about banning that! Blanket bans provide a false sense of security

You have to weigh up the associated risks with allergens. Nuts are more likely to be fatal aren’t they?

BreadInCaptivity · Yesterday 20:52

pragmatismuniversalsentimentalist · Yesterday 19:40

Allergy UK do not recommend 'no nuts' policies in schools because actually it leads to a false sense of complacency that the environment is safe and doesn't help kids to learn how they can keep themselves safe. Schools are never going to manage absolute compliance because with the best will in the world sometimes a person will accidentally put something in eg a cereal bar with traces of almond or forgetting that things like marzipan contain nuts. Better to teach people how to respond to allergic response situations

This….

tipsyraven · Yesterday 20:53

DefinitelyDana · Yesterday 19:23

It’s a bit weird that you got the recipe and this is immediately where your mind went… not saying you’re wrong necessarily but genuinely this wouldn’t have occurred to me 🫣

It’s not weird at all.

Whyarentyoureadyyet · Yesterday 20:53

Rpop · Yesterday 20:51

You have to weigh up the associated risks with allergens. Nuts are more likely to be fatal aren’t they?

No. That's not correct.

Milk is the leading cause of allergy deaths in children now

Strimmertime · Yesterday 20:56

FriendshipDynamic · Yesterday 20:16

This myth that children can die from being in the same room as a trace of nuts has long since been debunked.

If that were the case we would have children dying all over the place, nuts would be a banned substance everywhere as they would be considered to be toxins, or alternatively nut allergic children would never be able to leave their houses for fear that the next shop, house, restaurant, bus or train they entered might have contained a trace of nuts which would be about to kill them.

We need to look at the middle ground between trivialising serious food allergies or overplaying them to the extent that nobody will take them seriously because so much of the talk around them has been exaggerated to strike fear and guilt into people. It has entirely the opposite effect.

By far the biggest reason for children dying from nut allergies is when they reach secondary school and are suddenly faced with an environment where they haven’t been protected against the need to manage their own allergies.

A reception age child absolutely can learn to manage their allergies and not accept food from other people. But we as a society choose not to give them that responsibility, and instead wrap them up in a protective bubble which is far more harmful to them in the long run.

If the child isn’t yet able to manage their allergy then it’s the parents, and the school’s job to do it and that doesn’t mean by banning them altogether, it means by ensuring that the child is supervised around food to ensure they’re not being given nut based products.

The fact that people say “it’s easier to ban nuts than dairy” just shows that nut bans are more about virtue signalling rather than concern for children. If both allergies can be equally severe, and clearly they can, then a genuine organisation or person will seek to ensure that the child is shielded from both, not just pick the easy one and hope for the best when it comes to the other one.

So in essence, either you’re concerned about protecting children from allergies, or your’re not.

It needs to be about education, not shielding.

A reception age child absolutely can learn to manage their allergies and not accept food from other people. But we as a society choose not to give them that responsibility, and instead wrap them up in a protective bubble which is far more harmful to them in the long run.

Nonsense.
As the mother of a DC with multiple food allergies, do you think I relied on parents like @DeftGoldHedgehog following the rules to protect my child?
You must be joking!

He was educated and trained how to manage his allergies from an extremely young age (preschool if not earlier).

However, you do have to make allowances for young children, and also realise that his peers at that age are prone to sticky hands and faces, playing more or less on top of each other, and coughing in each other’s faces. As you, say supervison as well as education is needed.

Allergy UK does in fact recommend banning required allergens (depending on need) for facilities that care for very young children (eg preschools) and asking other parents to cooperate with this.
Reception age children are still very young and hence at risk.

Rpop · Yesterday 20:58

Whyarentyoureadyyet · Yesterday 20:53

No. That's not correct.

Milk is the leading cause of allergy deaths in children now

Interesting. Just been reading about it.

i guess it’s harder to remove all dairy from all children’s packed lunches than nuts.

but it must be a huge worry for dairy parents.

my reception son seems to understand he can’t eat anyone else’s food without checking with a grown up first. But i still feel on edge. He has an auto injector at school.

Wicked123 · Yesterday 20:59

SunnyRedSnail · Yesterday 20:49

Around 2 to 3% of kids have a nut allergy, so it's a minority. And airborne allergies are unbelievably rare and most have been shown to only cause a mild reaction.

Most 4 year olds can poop by themselves and wipe their bums so yes, they can learn to only eat their own lunch.

There is more chance of a ceiling falling down in an earthquake in the UK and killing a child than a child having a severe reaction to a lunch box being opened.

So what? It’s worth risking a child’s life?

Wicked123 · Yesterday 21:00

Wicked123 · Yesterday 20:59

So what? It’s worth risking a child’s life?

Also I’d love to know where you got those insane statistics- wildly inaccurate information

SunnyRedSnail · Yesterday 21:02

Wicked123 · Yesterday 20:59

So what? It’s worth risking a child’s life?

Where do you draw the line?

Perhaps we say no food in school at all and kids go home for lunch?

MyDeftDuck · Yesterday 21:03

I’d have to say something to her, how can someone be so irresponsible and inconsiderate?? By all means, bake the muffins for dd to have at home but don’t send them to school.

IAmBeaIDrinkTea · Yesterday 21:04

As someone with allergies (thankfully not a nut one) I know how deathly serious allergies can be.
You've got to mention. It's not worth the risk.

Blueeberry · Yesterday 21:05

Strimmertime · Yesterday 20:40

I’ve linked a graph showing the figures for anaphylactic deaths in the UK below.
I’m not talking about dairy here, which is certainly dangerous for allergic children, but in general terms some allergens are less likely to result in anaphylactic deaths than others are.

Overall, peanuts/nuts cause more deaths. In adults they result in more deaths than all the other allergens combined, which is why they are more feared perhaps.

Considering the fact that dairy is now the number one cause of anaphylactic reactions in UK children, I suggest you go and give your figures another read over..

Prof Adam Fox (leading allergist) has a brilliant Instagram page that aims to dispel myths around allergy - worth a scroll

Whyarentyoureadyyet · Yesterday 21:05

Rpop · Yesterday 20:58

Interesting. Just been reading about it.

i guess it’s harder to remove all dairy from all children’s packed lunches than nuts.

but it must be a huge worry for dairy parents.

my reception son seems to understand he can’t eat anyone else’s food without checking with a grown up first. But i still feel on edge. He has an auto injector at school.

Surely he has two auto injectors at school???
The advice is "always carry two" for good reason

Rpop · Yesterday 21:06

I’ve also just realised that our (small) primary school knows what severe allergies they have in school and bans the relevant food. Whilst not always possible i guess, when it is possible, it’s a good idea. Apart from OP’s parent who chooses to ignore….

Wicked123 · Yesterday 21:06

SunnyRedSnail · Yesterday 21:02

Where do you draw the line?

Perhaps we say no food in school at all and kids go home for lunch?

There are plenty of allergies that aren’t life threatening or airborn. My whole office of 100’s of people is nut free because someone has an incredibly severe airborne allergy, so if you can’t not eat nuts while you’re in work/school to stop someone being at risk, there’s something very wrong with your moral compass.

Byron1990 · Yesterday 21:06

@Whyarentyoureadyyet i also have a five year old who is anaphylactic to dairy and the nut free thing drives me mad knowing that dairy is the most fatal allergy in under tens and most seem to think it just causes a bad tummy. I don’t think schools should be dairy free but I’d love the same awareness as nuts get

Gowlett · Yesterday 21:07

I would say it to the mum again.
Ask her if she sends in the nuts.
Tell her you are going to report.

Wicked123 · Yesterday 21:08

SunnyRedSnail · Yesterday 21:02

Where do you draw the line?

Perhaps we say no food in school at all and kids go home for lunch?

So you do believe the right to eat nuts in school is more important than a child’s life? Wow.

Blueeberry · Yesterday 21:08

Wicked123 · Yesterday 21:06

There are plenty of allergies that aren’t life threatening or airborn. My whole office of 100’s of people is nut free because someone has an incredibly severe airborne allergy, so if you can’t not eat nuts while you’re in work/school to stop someone being at risk, there’s something very wrong with your moral compass.

Peanut allergies are not airborne as the proteins are too large to aerosolise. It is a (long debunked) myth that unfortunately causes severe anxiety.

The only airborne allergens are fish & milk.

Rpop · Yesterday 21:15

Whyarentyoureadyyet · Yesterday 21:05

Surely he has two auto injectors at school???
The advice is "always carry two" for good reason

Yes, true. He does.

Blueeberry · Yesterday 21:22

What would be far more useful in schools than silly blanket bans is proper training in anaphylaxis management, better awareness of allergies in general and access to spare adrenaline pens.

Whyarentyoureadyyet · Yesterday 21:24

Wicked123 · Yesterday 21:08

So you do believe the right to eat nuts in school is more important than a child’s life? Wow.

I could say the same about cheese/milk /yoghurt in school

Strimmertime · Yesterday 21:26

Blueeberry · Yesterday 21:05

Considering the fact that dairy is now the number one cause of anaphylactic reactions in UK children, I suggest you go and give your figures another read over..

Prof Adam Fox (leading allergist) has a brilliant Instagram page that aims to dispel myths around allergy - worth a scroll

Take another look at the figures 😉

Firstly in my previous post I wasn’t talking about children’s reactions specifically.
I said overall.

Within the under 16 category, if you categorise tree nuts, peanuts and unidentified nuts separately then, yes, dairy is the most dangerous. But taken collectively peanuts/nuts still are.
However, I think in certain paediatric categories (younger children) dairy would be far higher tbh. In older children, lower.

And yes, I know the difference between a tree nut and a peanut as I have a child allergic to both.
But firstly, nut-free schools usually means a ban on both. Secondly, these allergies are particularly likely to co-occur in an individual.
The products also tend to co-occur in many manufacturing facilities.
When a lay person talks about ‘nuts’ as on this thread, they usually mean peanuts as well as all the other nuts.

(I absolutely know dairy can be a really dangerous allergy in children, especially young children! I’m not for a minute trying to say otherwise, just addressing your rather snitty post.)

paperlightshade · Yesterday 21:32

One of my kids has a milk allergy. The amount of people who seem to trivialise this is...... a lot. Unfortunately school staff seem to be some of the worst. However schools seem to be surprisingly reticent about banning milk and milk containing products. Some of the gems I have heard in my time are:

They can have lactofree milk because I brought it in the free from aisle. Worryingly I was being told, not asked this.
Can they have semi skimmed milk?
And I had to stop someone giving them a chocolate finger biscuit because apparently chocolate isn't milk, it's chocolate.

Eventually after an anaphylaxis from a yoghurt covered fruit flake thing that involved the local air ambulance landing on the school field, I had an agreement with school that dc would 't eat anything unless it was obviously a plain piece of fruit, I had provided it or in the case of cookery ingredients I had personally checked it. Things shouldn't have had to go that far though before they sorted themselves out.