AIBU to think these boys should have been incarcerated?

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BBC News - Teenage boys sentenced for raping lone girls
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypg68e2neo

I've never started an AIBU before, but I'm genuinely really shocked. I'm just not sure how this sentence is justifiable. Their actions were premeditated and deliberate, they were carrying a knife and they filmed themselves. They're obviously a danger to women/girls, and probably to other boys too.

If anyone knows how and why this sentence might have come about, I'd be interested to hear it.

Does anyone know who would be best person to complain about this and ask for a review?

A really upsetting detail is that they circulated the video, leading to the girls being bullied and further traumatised. I'm surprised there isn't a separate sentence for this? I thought new legislation was put in place?

Many thanks 🙏, I admit I did skim read because I couldn’t stand reading the details, the reason I asked is because as a mother of a daughter ( and a son) at those ages both girls would have likely all ready started their periods and along with the trauma and physical and mental pain experienced, they could also ended up pregnant with their rapists babies ! , another punishment inflicted upon these children! 😡

Setting the emotions of this aside, the question is whether this sentence is in line with sentencing guidelines.

I’ve attached the sentencing guidelines, aggravating factors, and mitigating factors.

It would seem that the sentence is probably in line with the guidelines. Whether that’s wrong or right is a different question but it would seem that the judge wasn’t “wrong” or “weak” per se.

As I said earlier, it would be interesting to see what intensive supervision looks like as in my experience, it’s relatively toothless. I can imagine going to school with an electronic tag would be viewed as a badge of honour.

I understand arguments about criminality and rehabilitation for the future but we’re essentially talking about aggravated gang rape here. On more than one occasion. Working with the YOT in the community seems lacking in severity.

The full sentencing guidelines are here: www.lbc.co.uk/article/three-boys-avoid-prison-rape-two-girls-5HjdZW4_2/

Agree, disgusting sentences for premeditated, evil attacks that will stay with those girls for the rest of their lives. What incentive is there for victims to come forward? I have never filled in one of those unduly lenient forms before, but have been moved to by this case. Thanks to all the posters who explained anybody can do this and how to do it. Hope they get inundated and take notice of people's horror and anger.

I too have submitted the form. This is disgusting.

The justice system is also supposed to provide protection to society from offenders, support the rule of law ave provide restitution to the victims.

These sentences meet none of those aims.

I would like to see some evidence that these rehabilitating orders actually work as I'm afraid I have zero confidence. They just sound like a low cost option. And if they do work, there should still be more consideration to the victims and their feelings and support for them. I feel sick at what those poor brave girls have been through at such a young age too - going to court and getting this out one must feel like a kick in the face.

If you don’t agree with the sentences these lads received, please fill out the form and ask for a review:

https://www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review

It’s the only way we can try to help these poor girls. It only takes a few minutes. Where it asks for names put unknown as they are under 18. Copy and paste a link from the news article when adding info relating to the crimes so it’s clear which cases you want them to review.

I think it was, but I’m not 100% sure. There was something in the sentencing about taking images of a child.

Did you think you would shock me by describing crimes? Do you think I don’t realise these crimes happen? What an odd view.

I just put 'unreported due to age'

So many cases of male judges being lenient on rapists

Again, this isn't like a petition.

Only one person needs to file a request.

It doesn't make any difference if hundreds of people do it.

I’ve just seen this, and yes the judges comments are appalling.

”We shouldn’t seek to criminalise boys” who engage in gang rape attacks??!?

FFS

Judge, you are part of the reason why these boys fucking behave like this, because you let them get away with it. Exactly what behaviour WOULD you criminalise, if you let boys get away with this??

But you don't want these lads in prison?

Disgusting cut their cocks off.

But 30,000 forms would get the message across loud and clear.

Justice my arse !

That's what I want to know. What about this?? You can apparently request a sentence review. But it has to be within 28 days of the sentence.

Submit your request as early as possible before the 28-day deadline expires.

• Online: Submit your request using the GOV.UK Crown Court Sentence Review Service.
• By Email: Send details to the Attorney General's Office at [email protected].
• By Phone: Call the Attorney General’s Office at 020 7271 2492 for assistance.

https://www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review

Wha lads?

No it wouldn't, it just creates an admin headache for some civil servant somewhere.

By all means start a petition, but it would be a waste of time given that an unduly lenient form has already been submitted.

Those poor girls. I hope those boys live in a community where they’ll need to be looking over their shoulders for the rest of their time there.

I’ve long said this, but if women and girls were killing and sexually assaulting men and boys at the rate men and boys are doing to us, women would be under a nationwide curfew.

I'm surprised the premeditated nature of the attacks didn't result in a harsher sentence.

I am very much in favour of rehabilitation in general, and I'm on board with the principle of not criminalising children where this can be avoided. But surely when serious crimes such as rape are involved, there needs to be much more consideration for the victims as well, who will very likely be retraumatised by learning that their rapists will effectively face no punishment.

I really feel for those poor girls and their families, and I do think there should have been a custodial sentence in this case - in an appropriate institution that is suitable for the perpetraors' ages and where they can still be effectively rehabilitated if this is possible.

Also, quite apart from the impact on the victims, it cannot be good at a societal level to send the message that serious crimes against women and girls will go unpunished. There is such a tiny proportion of rapes where there is a prosecution in any case, and then you get cases like this where there is a prosecution but no real consequence.

I hope that the Home Secretary will intervene in this case. Justice should be humane and rehabilitation should be priority in my view, but rehabilitation without any kind justice doesn't serve any of us well.

You said children don't belong in prison.

YANBU

ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING.