AIBU to think these boys should have been incarcerated?

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BBC News - Teenage boys sentenced for raping lone girls
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypg68e2neo

I've never started an AIBU before, but I'm genuinely really shocked. I'm just not sure how this sentence is justifiable. Their actions were premeditated and deliberate, they were carrying a knife and they filmed themselves. They're obviously a danger to women/girls, and probably to other boys too.

If anyone knows how and why this sentence might have come about, I'd be interested to hear it.

This is utterly fucking vile.

These males have been allowed to rape and not go to jail. If I ruled the world, they would be euthanised with organ donation. Crime would reduce and ill people would recover.

I feel strongly about rehabilitation, but also as a mother of 14 yr old and 16 yr old girls I am truly shocked and appalled by this. I have also submitted a review request as I think someone said above, how can I look my daughter's in the eye knowing this has happened and I did nothing. I know it says you don't need to if someone else has submitted one, but I feel that maybe the number of requests will send a strong message, as well as the PCC comments.

I’m genuinely confused as to what the point is you are trying to make here?
everyone on this thread knows the boys are white ! We are still outraged, we would be still outraged if they weren’t.
these girls don’t deserve their pain further waved away on the alter of whatever your moral crusade is about!

“The fifteen year old you have to wonder if he was fit for trial. Their learning difficulties / ADHD were assessed as being in the bottom 1% for their age”

well, the person was apparently fit to be out without supervision, so therefore, he is suitable for trial. Can’t have it both ways.

This is completely unacceptable. It makes me angry. How exactly is this helping our VAWG crisis?!

Anyone can do this for any sentence xx

This crisis will never end :(

I don't see how having low intelligence makes you feel like it's OK to rape a terrified girl. If he really has got to 15 and still isn't capable of knowing that rape is wrong then he's a danger to society and needs locking up even more.

I agree. I don’t think having ADHD means you don’t know right from wrong! And 15 isn’t exactly super young either!

It certainly won’t with pathetic sentences like this

The girls that were raped were also children.

ADHD is not a free pass to rape. I wish it would stop being bandied about as a causal/contibutary factor where this kind of crime is concerned. The majority of men with ADHD don't rape. There's premeditation, planning and intention here in any case.

If it's anything like the situation in Scotland, the courts will only give a meaningful sentence after a second offence. If intelligence is the issue, then it'll be a mental health facility sine die.

This disgusts me. I have daughters. I do not want young boys and men to get the message that rape doesn’t deserve prison. Those poor poor girls will never get their lives back. I felt so saddened to hear one of them just say she wanted to die. They went through an awful trial process for the judge to just hand out a meaningless sentence.

SEN is not an excuses for violence or rape. Too often at a lower level I’m seeing excuses about deregulation excuses violence. It is not ok.

This is actually a similar case. I can't find the more recent reports - Snaddon is unlikely to be released. He's in Carstairs.

https://www.thetimes.com/travel/destinations/uk-travel/scotland-travel/frail-womans-rapist-jailed-for-life-8rdm8nnwfbw

Ffs. They are rapists. They’ve got away with it now. The judge has just created rapists who think they are invulnerable…

what the hell is wrong with you?

I am just so cross about this case and the Manchester one and the complete lack of justice for the victims.

In the case that I've posted above, the newspaper report gives a false picture of what happened. The offender was allowed to plead guilty to a lesser offence the first time.

Thank you for posting link. Submitted form.

I don’t.
And you don’t have the right to make such a personally insulting comment that is so incorrect.

If I understand correctly, the reference was to the offender's intelligence.

ETA The poster is perfectly correct. If the offender cannot understand right from wrong, then he should not be at liberty.

The Police and Crime Commissioner for Hampshire, Donna Jones, has now publicly criticised the sentences. Calling them too lenient and too focused on rehabilitation. She has said that she will support the victims and their families if they wish to appeal.

Effective in what way? With regards to rehabilitation? With getting them off the streets so they can't do this again? Or as a clear message of deterrent to other similar minded boys?

But formed an alliance with others, carried knives, knew where people would be alone, cornered girls, raped them, can use a phone, share messages, use apps…

I could go on but using the above evidence about their intelligence, I could sit here all day and discredit it.

How do I do this?