AIBU to think these boys should have been incarcerated?

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BBC News - Teenage boys sentenced for raping lone girls
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypg68e2neo

I've never started an AIBU before, but I'm genuinely really shocked. I'm just not sure how this sentence is justifiable. Their actions were premeditated and deliberate, they were carrying a knife and they filmed themselves. They're obviously a danger to women/girls, and probably to other boys too.

If anyone knows how and why this sentence might have come about, I'd be interested to hear it.

It is starting to get wider coverage. Very sad in title: I'm grieving who I used to be

Three boys avoid prison over rapes of two girls which were filmed: ‘I’m grieving who I used to be’ | The Independent

This is horrifying. Thankyou PPs for sharing the form. I have submitted

This.

There are Scottish Green MSP's who want to abolish prisons.

Hi it is asking for names of persons sentenced? I really want to sign this.

I'm so glad to find a thread on this, as I was so shocked and sickened when I read the news report, I could not believe that more people were not aware of this case, and as outraged as me. Those poor girls have suffered so much already, and now to hear this sentencing, I can't even imagine what they are going through. Women and girls are not safe, and we deserve better protection.

As said before just say names withheld due to reporting restrictions because of the ages of the accused.

Just put: Juveniles, rapes at Fordingbridge and later Southampton for the court.

The truth is we don’t have the facilities to rehabilitate this type of young offender. The stats above look good but this type of premeditated rape is not comparable to other types of sexual offending. The whole point is that our YOI should be a place for secure rehabilitation but they aren’t because they are not funded. Just like the YRO will have no real bones to it, no real depth or specialist therapy. Neurodiversity is a red herring and not an excuse for any type of behaviour that is this violent. So much for VAWG, the patriarchy is alive and kicking. I think this is appauling and I also would like to know what support has been provided to the survivors who have to live with this forever.

Gee, I thought it was worse here in the US. What a nightmare for those two little girls.

Just do what I and others did and states that their names haven’t been released for legal reasons.

Horrified and disgusted. What planet do these judges live on?
It needs to go back to the court of appeal for unduly lenient sentence

Yes - unfortunately not measured more long term for young people

Yes, it seems they are no strangers to illegal behaviour.

Anyone who thinks these guys won’t be back in front of the courts in the next few years are deluding themselves.

Seriously, if that happened to my daughter, I’d be up for murder…. Ironically, I’d almost certainly get life!

I've also submitted the form.

As PP

Name unknown
Court sentence 21/05/26
Court Southampton

I'm disgusted at what message this gives to teenage boys and girls. I'm a mum of both.

Heartbreaking for the victims and their families

Given the gravity of their crimes they should have had a custodial sentence. When will the justice system step by for women and girls. I have also appealed and contacted MP. I really hope this is looked at again.

I have been happy to sign and send in a sentence review request as it occurs to me that if this sentencing is allowed to stand it may be used as an example in future cases.

As women we need to let the authorities know how, yet again, the feelings and rights of women can be cast aside.

Use your right to request to show the strength of feeling amongst those this will affect - women.

Your silence could be misconstrued as acquiescence.

Thanks for the link..mine is submitted.

Let's see the government ministers stand up for women and girls. This case is truly sickening and the police who investigated must feel so undermined. They were obviously close to the details of the crimes and have said it too lenient. I trust their judgement on this...not the judge who seemed to want to soften the sentences.

I agree, but I'm not even sure how much capacity we have in secure mental units these days, there is a mental health hospital near me that houses the criminals insane (or whatever we can them now) and has a few long term 'patients' with severe autism that aren't safe to be in the community but we seemed to have moved (too far) away from this as a society.

If you’re capable of gang rape, and then posting the material online, then you clearly have the mental capacity to be punished accordingly.

I actually find it very disablist to say that someone of low intelligence doesn’t know the difference between basic right and wrong, and wouldn’t be aware that this was an evil thing to do.

In your opinion. The reason I don’t find it irrelevant is, the weaponisation of violence against women is something we all should be against, and this is a good example of it.

Look at any SM post by police about women being attacked. The “doctor or engineer” comments, the clamour for “why no description” comments, most recently 3 women tragically died in the sea in Brighton and the vast majority of comments were about small boats, no sympathy whatsoever.

I’m sorry if this weaponisation bores you, but it’s actually a real threat to women.

They can fester in a damp cell for I care. They don’t need special facilities.

I'm sure the victims feel so much better for knowing this.

I'm sorry but these boys need to locked up to protect the public. Hopefully they could be rehabilitated while they are there. Fat chance of that happening while they are home with the families who raised them to behave like this in the first place.

Your point is well, I'm not sure really. I suppose whataboutery really. I see neither you or the other poster have even expressed sympathy for the victims.

I see the actually really quite offensive post you're defending has been deleted. Wasn't me who reported it, but it deserved deletion.