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AIBU?

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AIBU to think these boys should have been incarcerated?

823 replies

newrubylane · 21/05/2026 14:06

BBC News - Teenage boys sentenced for raping lone girls
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypg68e2neo

I've never started an AIBU before, but I'm genuinely really shocked. I'm just not sure how this sentence is justifiable. Their actions were premeditated and deliberate, they were carrying a knife and they filmed themselves. They're obviously a danger to women/girls, and probably to other boys too.

If anyone knows how and why this sentence might have come about, I'd be interested to hear it.

A footpath beside a river, leading under a road bridge

Teenage boys sentenced for raping lone girls in Fordingbridge

The boys filmed themselves laughing and encouraging each other as they raped girls in separate attacks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypg68e2neo

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Nihongo · 21/05/2026 16:19

Backedoffhackedoff · 21/05/2026 16:12

I didn’t say that. I said I agree that children shouldn’t be unnecessarily criminalised, to give them the best chance of rehabilitation.

you’re so wild with fury you’ve made assumptions. We are talking about one situation which we have limited details of, I don’t apply the same view to every single under 18 who has committed a violent crime. I don’t know the first thing about the iow bomber.

Our justice system isn’t only about rehabilitation, society demands that some punishment be given as retribution for a crime.

A price needs to be paid, and people need to feel that the punishment is proportionate, otherwise they lose faith in the whole system.

Meadowfinch · 21/05/2026 16:19

Backedoffhackedoff · 21/05/2026 16:18

Judges follow the law to sentence someone who has been found guilty. Unless they have made an error in the sentencing, they are not responsible for the guidelines they follow.

Do you think they just use their own personal opinion to sentence people?!?

Yes. All boys together!!

Do you imagine a woman judge would have reached the same conclusion?

Girlwithavibe · 21/05/2026 16:19

Disgusting I just read this in disbelief!!
Mother's crying ??? Wtf what about the victims and their parents jesus Christ !
If I was the judge I would have cut their fucking knobs off !!!!!!

Voodooray · 21/05/2026 16:20

I have filled in form - this is horrific - if this is within guidelines for sentencing then those sentencing guidelines need to change.

SweetSummerHerbs · 21/05/2026 16:20

Backedoffhackedoff · 21/05/2026 16:18

Judges follow the law to sentence someone who has been found guilty. Unless they have made an error in the sentencing, they are not responsible for the guidelines they follow.

Do you think they just use their own personal opinion to sentence people?!?

Why? Was a jail sentence not available for him to give then?

If it was and he didn't then yes, that is is own stupid dangerous decision -the twat.

hotsoap · 21/05/2026 16:21

There is no justice left anymore in this country

Namechangeforthisdilemma1 · 21/05/2026 16:21

Pigeonpoodle · 21/05/2026 16:01

Does anyone know who would be best person to complain about this and ask for a review?

There are links if you go to the beginning of the thread. https://submit.forms.service.gov.uk/form/696/apply-to-have-an-unduly-lenient-sentence-reviewed/UrNqWVsY

as they are minors link to the article in the

What is your name? - Apply to have an unduly lenient sentence reviewed – GOV.UK

https://submit.forms.service.gov.uk/form/696/apply-to-have-an-unduly-lenient-sentence-reviewed/UrNqWVsY

Feis123 · 21/05/2026 16:22

Your form has been submitted
Your form reference number is:
845KT28R

DrPrunesqualer · 21/05/2026 16:23

Voodooray · 21/05/2026 16:20

I have filled in form - this is horrific - if this is within guidelines for sentencing then those sentencing guidelines need to change.

Exactly !!

Its a point I made in the further comments section of the complaints form

There have been many very lenient and non existent punishments handed out to rapists

Allisnotlost1 · 21/05/2026 16:23

HouseMartinsHome · 21/05/2026 15:59

This absolutely HAS TO harm their chances of SOME employment.

They categorically cannot ever work with children or vulnerable people, in health or social care.

They must be criminaoised to the extent that a DBS never ever erases this.

The conviction won’t show on a basic DBS once the order expires, but will always show up on a standard or enhanced DBS.

Sartre · 21/05/2026 16:25

I think any decent parent would want their child to be imprisoned for committing such a heinous crime. Crying with relief that they weren’t says it all. The fact low IQ is being blamed is shocking too. They knew what they were doing, they lured the girls somewhere remote and it isn’t even as if they did it once then felt awful and never did it again is it…

Backedoffhackedoff · 21/05/2026 16:25

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/05/2026 16:13

But they’re violent rapists, so they wouldn’t be “unnecessarily criminalised”, would they?

It depends. If these boys, or any boys, get to the end of their rehabilitation order and are consider to have made insufficient progress, or still pose a danger to the public then I have no issue with them being further detained or probation terms imposed.

This is an opportunity for them, but it’s one opportunity and if they can’t make it work then yes, they may end up being criminalised.

i would’ve thought it’s fairly obvious tbh, seems a standard view.

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 16:25

Nihongo · 21/05/2026 16:15

So what? What’s it to you if 10 people or a hundred submit the form?

To me, nothing, but to all those who falsely believe they are somehow making a difference it seems a bit of a waste of time.

One form has been sent. The review is triggered. Nothing further is needed.

RingoJuice · 21/05/2026 16:25

Allisnotlost1 · 21/05/2026 16:12

I’m not really following you. Are you saying you think manslaughter is the same as murder? The outcome is obviously the same but legally they’re very different and attract different sentences. The sentences in this case are a little below average I think, but not as surprising as the rape case in the OP.

Agree that a community sentence often seems as though it’s not much of a punishment. However there’s no evidence that longer prison sentences are a deterrent to others than shorter ones, or that prison is more of a deterrent than a non-custodial sentence. In countries where children really are not criminalised, there’s less youth violence and less reoffending.

Comparing various countries is useless. Demographics, median age, gender balance is not controlled for, so I don’t believe you can say this confidently.

What I will say is that keeping them in prison until they are old men protects the women and girls in that community, and for this reason alone should be done. Why let absolutely dangerous monsters roam the streets? They will do this again, but more carefully. Why should women always bear these risks just in case the men ‘change’ it’s so disgusting

Yearoftheskin · 21/05/2026 16:26

Form submitted.

WaryCrow · 21/05/2026 16:26

Honestly I’m half way to suggesting girls should be armed in this country. Not boys. Just the girls. And if there are girls who do abuse that privilege go in fro t of the judge, will there be concerns about criminalising them and the effects on their future lives??

Of course not.

NiftyBlueRobin · 21/05/2026 16:27

Sadly it looks like it's too late to raise complaints as their sentences were imposed more than 28 days ago?

My sincere commiserations to the girls who were subjected to these vile crimes.

Nogimachi · 21/05/2026 16:27

Cartmella · 21/05/2026 14:47

So there is no deterrent for underage gang rape at all now. Other boys will undoubtedly copy them.

Exactly this. I was shocked beyond measure at this the other month. The victim was 12. The perpetrators filmed it and shouted commands at her while doing so, and were allowed to walk free.
https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2026-03-07/she-was-so-frightened-mum-gives-evidence-in-alleged-rape-trial-of-teen-boys

The articles explaining why they walked free have been taken down but it was because the defence argued that the girl didn’t say “no”. She argued that she didn’t say “yes” but that doesn’t matter.

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 16:27

DrPrunesqualer · 21/05/2026 16:17

Polite request to not downplay mumsnetters submitting these forms

We have every right to and as @Meadowfinch noted
the more people who do this the better

Who after all gives a toss about creating an admin problem for a justice system that doesn’t protect young girls

Im all for giving them an admin headache every time !!!

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But it's not "the more people who do this the better". Again, this doesn't work like a petition. It doesn't require large volumes of submissions.

All it needs is one, and that's clearly been done.

Anything else is a waste of other people's time.

Nihongo · 21/05/2026 16:27

coulditbeme2323 · 21/05/2026 15:01

I wonder where they are from.

According to the Daily Mail, they are from the traveller community.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/05/2026 16:27

It’s not a particularly popular view, it’s one I think the likes of Reform will campaign on. But sure, it’s totally sensible not to criminalise underage rapists and shit on their underage victims, excellent stuff.

Nihongo · 21/05/2026 16:28

FinchiePink · 21/05/2026 16:27

But it's not "the more people who do this the better". Again, this doesn't work like a petition. It doesn't require large volumes of submissions.

All it needs is one, and that's clearly been done.

Anything else is a waste of other people's time.

You seem more bothered by a form than what actually happened.

RingoJuice · 21/05/2026 16:28

WaryCrow · 21/05/2026 16:18

I am so sick of the future of boys being considered far more important than the ruined lives of girls.

This. Women are always expected to bear risks in case men change.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/05/2026 16:28

NiftyBlueRobin · 21/05/2026 16:27

Sadly it looks like it's too late to raise complaints as their sentences were imposed more than 28 days ago?

My sincere commiserations to the girls who were subjected to these vile crimes.

I thought they were sentenced today, hence the news coverage today?

Allisnotlost1 · 21/05/2026 16:30

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Thank god you don’t work there now, the prison service can do with one less racist.

Were you one of the ones who used to set up fights and bet on the winner? Or one of the ones who’d go down to reception and have a nose through the files to find a boy who’d been sexually abused in the past, and therefore an easier target? Or were you one of those who banged up a boy with his shoe laces after he told you he wanted to see his dead mum?

Don’t think because you wore a uniform you or any of your mates were any better than the people you locked up.

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