Is Andy Burnham reasonable to say only a small minority of women object to men being in their toilets? YABU he's right, YANBU he's wrong *titled tweaked by MNHQ at OP's request*

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15830845/Andy-Burnham-men-identify-women-use-female-toilets.html

'I don't think that's a majority view. I think it's a minority view and quite a small minority view, actually. But it is a view so you can't completely ignore it. Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'

No sensible woman wants a man in female only spaces. No reasonable man wants to access them. No sensible politician says something so bloody stupid.

The problem with polling is that the #bekindorelse message has some people self censoring and also that the terminology can be confusing. I read something a while ago that said when questioned some people think a trans woman is a woman who thinks she’s a man, so simple yes/no questions without adequate context can be confusing. If you ask if men should be allowed in women’s facilities about 99% of people say no.

The toilets debate is the thin end of the wedge. Recently since more men began displaying their fetishes openly in public, relishing making women uncomfortable and so many caught spying, up skirting etc, they have also become much more unsafe. What I mean by that is 30 years ago I might see (the same) transsexual person in our public toilet in town and not be too bothered, although I obviously noticed and was alert. He should know that single sex spaces are vital for safeguarding and if he doesn’t understand that, he still needs to know that it’s the law anyway.

Making shit up is the key criterion for becoming PM.

He can thinks what he likes but I guess he does not have any evidence to back it up.

'Pearlclutchers'

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Clearly Andy Burnham is unfit to lead anything if he thinks women [the biological kind] do not deserve safety, dignity and privacy. He also showed very little real interest in the grooming scandal in Oldham. He will never get my vote 😡

And of course we're always hearing "It's only a tiny minority of people who are trans so why are you making a fuss about giving them what they want, bigot?

It's not a tiny minority of women, but if Andy thinks it is why isn't he applying the same logic?

God I am endlessly disappointed in Labour/the Left. AB supposedly super "able" and a great politician but can't take a couple of minutes think through the illogical idiocy of gender identity, have a look at the law and the current cases being won, or do some research and listen to women before spouting off about it, and doesn't care about half the population because meh whiny little women don't matter.

You know the dumbest thing of all, it would take one brave person in a position of leadership or potential leadership to unashamedly stand up for women and sanity and it would be a huge vote winner.

Although I'm one of those people who would be ok with sep individual cubicals as a unisex option and would say I wasn't GC, I'd say I feel a bit uncomfortable in mixed loos and with trans women in female spaces. Most of my contemporaries are more uncomfortable than I am. So, yes, he's completely wrong to suggest the minority are comfortable.

Oh dear. Another one. Another reason he shouldn't be pm, he doesn't understand or respect 50% of the population. Explains why he didn't do anything about the grooming gangs, in his manor. King of the North? Don't make me laugh.

I second this

It's interesting you go for genitals, as if we need anything more than a pair of eyes and a fraction of a second to correctly sex literally anyone on the planet.

It's also a tool designed to shut people down - people shout transphobia, or genital police because, WTF do you even say to that.

Basically - the is me - https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/father-sue-school-over-trans-pupils-using-female-lavatories-jz76f6r5m and I spend as much of my free time as I can banging the drum for the cause of women's rights.

Sorry if the idea upsets you.

Another one of the "minority" here. I don't want to share a toilet with men, trans-indentified or otherwise. If Andy Burnham can't quite get his head around why, then he needs to brush up his listening and reading skills because the point has been made, over and over and over again.

Suspect he will be asked the question more than once from now on so should be interesting! Also love what Helen Joyce wrote.

I really don't see how they don't get that its not about " Just men dressed as women using the female toilets!"

If someone, anyone could clarify HOW exactly we are supposed to tell the difference between John who is now Jane and generally just wants to go about their lives " presenting as female" and Steve who is pretending to be Sarah who is using this loop hole and the ability to scream "Transphobia" to be able to access woman's spaces for kink/ assault/ nefarious reasons.

They don't come with fecking lables attached!

I am NOT transphobic, I dont actually care how you want to present yourself, however, no one and that includes John who has all the surgeries and now presents as Jane, should be accessing woman's spaces unless they are natal woman.
So count me in that ' small minority too.

This absolute bloody nonsense is why Im still politically homeless. 😢

If it’s too late to edit, ask MNHQ if they can edit it for you.

Why would anyone object to transmen in ladies loos? They're women, they have every right to be there.

What @lifeturnsonadimesaid 💯

Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life

And he thinks THAT's a "tiny minority"! Man knows absolutely zero about women, women's experiences, women's lives. 5 minutes googling some stats before talking shite and he can't be arsed.

And Andy Burnham is a wanker.

He is just wrong. And he hasnt taken the time to think and observe the data or the feedback.

I think you’ve nailed it. Kind of an assertion that it’s the fault of the woman or their perception is skewed. However even if that is the case a small minority ha ha has he any idea how many women have experienced some male violence?

How can any father want men in loos with their daughters?

Agreed this is a variation on 'reframe your trauma'.