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“You’re not going on your own” - caring or controlling? AIBU?

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Samuelthespaniel · Yesterday 09:36

My husband and I had words over the possibility of a solo trip (it was just an idea) yesterday and I think he may be the unreasonable party but I thought I’d ask in case I am genuinely missing something important here.

For context, married 4 years, no kids. Basically I brought up the idea of a city break I’d like to go on. We normally travel together with the exception of when I go on weekend trips with a friend or family or for work (which so far has only involved flying to a neighbouring country where I have family).

When I first mentioned it yesterday he essentially said “off with you” but his reaction later makes me think that this earlier comment was said because he thought I was joking. DH has no holidays left to take this year, I can WFH. I was considering doing a 3-4 night stay in this city and doing all of the things that I wouldn’t like to bore him with when we travel together eg taking myself off for a facial, some activities (think craft type things, etc). Great, I thought. I can WFH from the hotel and afterwards check out the landmarks, some shopping, etc. it would be my first solo trip in the sense that it would be the first time I’ve travelled alone purely for leisure for that amount of time, but I was looking forward to it and thought it would actually be good for my personal development.

Spoke about it again last night as I told DH about things that I don’t think he’d particularly enjoy doing that I was looking at doing in the city, and he said yeah but you’d need someone to watch your back there. I said I’m sure it would be fine, it’s a relatively safe city by any standard. He said “I’m not restricting you, you just can’t go on your own. Why don’t you wait til next year and see if (name of friend) can go with you. I said it’s not really the point, my friend might not want to go and I was particularly enjoying the prospect of going by myself. I

said I don’t see what it’s really got to do with you (perhaps this was wrong in hindsight). He said we’re married, we do everything together, to which I said that plenty of married people solo travel and he said “I don’t care, I don’t have to worry about them”. I said well ultimately it’s my choice and I have autonomy over my own actions.

He said that if I ignore his feelings then he’ll remember this for again and that we’ll have a big problem when I get back and that’s all he’s going to say, and that it’s not a threat. I replied by saying it does sound like a bit of a threat really. He said he didn’t want to hear anything else from me for the rest of the night, which also felt a bit patronising and like I was being chastised.

I should also mention that at some point in the conversation he asked why I needed to go away so often and I already go away 3-4 times a year with him and what’s the rush and do I want to just take a year out and travel or something and if that’s the case go off and do it (although I don’t see how that would be fine by him but a 3-4 city break isn’t, but anyway). I said that no, I don’t want to take a year out to go travelling and I’m perfectly happy with my life the way it is, but he said the signs are there that I want to be away all the time. I do like to go away, but it’s not to escape anything as such, I really do just like to see new places and thought it would be a good opportunity. I mean, I don’t question why he goes to the gym 3-4 times per week. I don’t feel like it’s any of my business. But I think I should be allowed to explore my hobbies as well.

Sorry this was so long! But does anyone have any experience of this? Did you go anyway? Did you decide against it?

OP posts:
Faveway · Yesterday 09:38

Lots of red flags there Op! My partner would encourage me, take an interest in my plans and we'd have a chat every evening while I was away so I could be excited about everything I'd done.

RegularFrankieFan · Yesterday 09:39

Sounds controlling to me. You're a grown woman; you should be able to go wherever you want, whenever you want. If you feel like you'll be safe there, that should be good enough for him.

tripleginandtonic · Yesterday 09:41

Sounds like he's lashing out a bit. I don't find that element of being told what to do at all endearing in real life, maybe fantasy wise it works but as a grown adult I make my own decisions and having a mate who values me as an adult scores highly.
How is the rest of your life with him, does he treat you as an equal in other ways?

hallenbad · Yesterday 09:41

Agree with others OP. Definitely a few red flags there both in banning you and the turn the conversation took.

Don’t get pregnant with him until you’re satisfied on this front, that’s all I’ll say!

GreyCarpet · Yesterday 09:43

I agree that there are so many red flags there, OP!

I can pretty much guarantee that if you don't go and agree to go with a friend next year, he'll have a problem with that too.

It's not up to him whether you go - he has no say in it. And as for his worrying abut you comment - his feelings are his to manage. He can't manage his feelings of worry by controlling your behaviour because that's abusive.

Miranda65 · Yesterday 09:45

Honestly, his response is completely unacceptable. I have been married for over 30 years, we both often go away on solo trips (as well as holidays together), and it is completely normal.
You are a competent adult, OP, and you don't need anyone to "watch your back". It's infantilising and patronising of him to even suggest it.
In your position, OP, I would be furious - I'd also be booking my trip exactly as planned!

INeedAnotherName · Yesterday 09:45

He said that if I ignore his feelings then he’ll remember this for again and that we’ll have a big problem when I get back and that’s all he’s going to say, and that it’s not a threat. I replied by saying it does sound like a bit of a threat really. He said he didn’t want to hear anything else from me for the rest of the night, which also felt a bit patronising and like I was being chastised.

Keep reading that to yourself. That is controlling and definitely NOT caring, it is coercive and emotional abuse. Look them both up.

Miranda65 · Yesterday 09:46

Also just to add that it would be very weird for married people to "do everything together" - and boring, too.

DierdreDaphne · Yesterday 09:46

The "If you disregard (disobey) me we'll have a big problem when you're back" remark was a threat OP. A very unpleasant one.

Octavia64 · Yesterday 09:46

I wouldn’t be happy with this BUT I note you have not said the city.

there are some cities that are definitely less safe than others and my view might change eg if you said you wanted to go to downtown Mogadishu I’d be on his side.

DierdreDaphne · Yesterday 09:47

It's probably London. I'd worry about what he was consuming online tbh.

Samuelthespaniel · Yesterday 09:47

Interesting, thanks. @tripleginandtonicGenerally fine I would say. Both of us work. I did get married quite young so I would say that my interests might have changed a bit since we met when I was a teen, but that’s to be expected. We did have a minor blip when I went to uni and he would phone a lot and wasn’t coping very well with it for the first few weeks, but that was a decade ago. Since then I would say not really, he can get a bit overwhelmed when I have lots of family over, but granted he does most of the washing up and cleaning. I would say it’s very equal generally, both have our own bank accounts and spending money, etc. But I am at home a lot because I WFH so maybe this is just a bit sudden for him.

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EveryKneeShallBow · Yesterday 09:48

I’m with the other posters. My late husband was very protective and worried a lot about me. But that would be shown by him googling a city I was going to and telling me about any areas where he thought I should be wary of. He wouldn’t have suggested I shouldn’t go. This seems to cross that line from protecting to controlling. Agree about not having children with him until you are sure this is sorted out.

Slightyamusedandsilly · Yesterday 09:49

I would absolutely not tolerate being told I couldn't do what I wanted by my partner. Ever. My XH was controlling but I would not have accepted that from him.

Your life. Your body. Your choice.

Book it.

I also think you need to rethink your marriage. At the very minimum you need couples therapy.

ChaToilLeam · Yesterday 09:49

He sounds like an absolute prick to me. You are not a child to be told what you can and cannot do.

This is more about him than you. I'd be booking the trip and hell mend him.

thepariscrimefiles · Yesterday 09:50

INeedAnotherName · Yesterday 09:45

He said that if I ignore his feelings then he’ll remember this for again and that we’ll have a big problem when I get back and that’s all he’s going to say, and that it’s not a threat. I replied by saying it does sound like a bit of a threat really. He said he didn’t want to hear anything else from me for the rest of the night, which also felt a bit patronising and like I was being chastised.

Keep reading that to yourself. That is controlling and definitely NOT caring, it is coercive and emotional abuse. Look them both up.

I totally agree. It's definitely a threat. Telling OP that he doesn't want to hear anything else from her for the rest of the night sounds like a parent chastising a child.

Goodadvice1980 · Yesterday 09:50

I don’t like the sound of him OP 🚩

RegularFrankieFan · Yesterday 09:52

Seems like it might be a trust thing in that he's worried you might cheat if you go away without him, and he's covering that with"concerns" about your safety, which is not great from him. Do you think that could be the case?

Peonies12 · Yesterday 09:52

I would absolutely not tolerate any of this: you’re an adult, just book it and enjoy:

Jellybunny98 · Yesterday 09:53

I do think this crosses the line from protective to controlling OP. My husband is quite protective, he worries and I totally understand that because I can be a bit of a worrier as well, but he also understands that I am an adult and he would never tell me I can’t do something, or shut down a conversation with “I don’t want to hear about this again” because I’m not 6 years old.

tinaabbot · Yesterday 09:53

That was a threat, do what you are told or there will be consequences! Also saying he doesn’t want to hear from you for the rest of the evening?? That’s like something a controlling father would say, icky as well as a huge red flag 🚩

Plan your holiday and reconsider your relationship while away.

eiteanpiobardubh · Yesterday 09:54

Caring is:
"I'm concerned about your safety if you go and I'll worry about you. I accept it's your decision though."
Controlling is:
"I forbid it. If you do it anyway I'll punish you in some way."

Your DH has said the controlling one.

I do think it is a bit unfair that you get to spend joint money on a holiday he can't go on, so I would make sure there is equal money available for him to spend on his hobbies/fun, even if that's not a holiday due to his annual leave situation. But that's a totally separate issue to his controlling behaviour.

GreyCarpet · Yesterday 09:54

But I am at home a lot because I WFH so maybe this is just a bit sudden for him.

Seriously, OP, there is nothing at all wrong with you going away for a few days like this.

Why do you think it's sudden for him? Because he's used to knowing exactly where you are and what you're doing and he likes it that way? And now you're going to be out of range for a few days?

He's not a child whose mummy is going away for a few days for the first time and has never been separated from mummy before and so needs time to prepare and come to terms with it.

He's an adult male who likes his equally adult female where he knows exactly where she is and exactly what she's doing.

Sunisgettinganewhaton · Yesterday 09:54

. My exh was similar and I was going as a relative's carer!.
Exh.
Just saying.

NoraLuka · Yesterday 09:56

I wouldn’t like this at all. It doesn’t sound like he’s worried about your safety as such, and you sound like you’re used to travelling so I’m assuming it’s not the type of scenario where someone who’s been in a remote village for 50 years suddenly lands in NYC or similar!

Don’t let him stop you, it’s a slippery slope to not being able to do anything by yourself.