Feeling devastated after seeing this news about Afghanistan

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I stumbled across this on BBC — https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q25dwj807o

I can’t stop crying. I feel so incredibly devastated that we live in such an unequal world. I cannot believe in 2026 people have to starve and children die — and girls be sold??? because of hunger. Goodness sake. That’s not right, it’s so inhumane. Seeing the tears on those tiny girls’ eyes and how fearful they are just breaks my heart so much, oh Gosh.

I just really feel sorry for these people who have to live under Taliban and suffer immensely. It’s so heartbreaking. And I know these people are not the only ones unfortunately…I just feel like we all have so much, more than we all need to and I wish we could just help the poor more as a whole world. But that doesn’t bring any profits does it???!

I wish I could do something to help, whatever that may be. Does anyone have a clue about what to do? I’d appreciate any insight. Thank you.

Funny how people are suddenly justifying slavery…

Girls Not Brides, which I linked to a few posts ago, says 10% of girls in Afghanistan are married before 15. The question is, how old are the majority of these? If they're mostly infants that's truly unbelievable.

You know very well that's not what I said.

I don't think a parent in that situation is evil if it really is that or death.

I questioned whether that WAS the situation though.

However, if it were (which as I said, is by no means certain), are you saying all the enslaved African Americans who refused to do what Margaret Garner did were immoral?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Garner

Thank you!

You think it would have been ok if she had sent her daughters back into slavery if it had saved herself?

Yes many Afghan families are reliant on receiving income from relatives abroad. It’s a significant part of the Afghan economy now.

No, I don't think she should have killed her child, full stop.

Do you think that was the right choice?

Thank you, that's important information.

Yes, I've come across weird 'natalists' on Reddit who say things like 'people keep having children in war zones' amd similar as if that's a good thing. It's not.

It's worth noting this isn't unque to Afghanistan. Poor countries unfortunately tend to have higher birth rates as children are security, working the land and caring for elderly parents. Closer to home, birth rates remained high in Ireland during very hard times in the 19th and 20th centuries, and in the poorest areas of the East End, not to mention the worst times of the Industrial Revolution in the 1850s and 60s.

💐 I'm really sorry.
Starmer has been hugely incompetent and selfish throughout his time as PM.

Re Rudskubana : I DO actually think the 'Welsh choirboy' information is important in a different way. He was born in the UK. His parents were Christian. The radicalisation occurred later and it's important to understand why. Who will find out? Not our government, but someone must.

This, and clearly now in Ethiopia there IS a huge problem of knowing child marriage, exacerbated by famine. It had one of the highest rates in the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/apr/30/ethiopian-drought-leading-to-dramatic-increase-in-child-marriage-unicef-warns

https://www.tearfund.org/stories/2022/05/hunger-crisis-forcing-ethiopian-girls-into-child-marriage

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13681053

'Ethiopia has some of the highest rates of child, early, and forced marriage (CEFM), with 4 in 10 girls getting married before turning 18.'

https://reliefweb.int/report/ethiopia/preventing-child-marriage-through-active-participation-children-and-young-people

https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/en/learning-resources/child-marriage-atlas/atlas/ethiopia/

https://childmarriagedata.org/country-profiles/ethiopia/

Something not being reported during Live Aid era (which wasn't reported that well as a whole) doesn't mean it didn't happen, either. the media ignored the corruption meaning the money was misused, for one thing.

I’m not just talking about Pakistan.-

Can I ask which other tribal societies you're thinking of in particular? Or do you just mean generally?

It doesn’t even make sense EXCEPT in the context of this being an accepted thing to do in that society.

Can you imagine in, say the US where they need to pay for healthcare, and where child marriage is still legal in some states, a father approaching a brother or uncle for a loan in that situation, and the man saying “Only if you let me marry her”? It wouldn’t happen because it’s not a thing.

No it isn’t and that poster was speaking rot.

There has been evidence lately gathering to show that the traditional belief that older European societies were more matriarchal has some truth behind it - Google for Iron Age Britain matrilineal or matrilocal. There are also similar rumours and beliefs about at least some Near Eastern societies in pre- Roman times, difficult as that is to believe today. Women’s rights in Japan and China have also gone up and down, and were up two thousand years ago.

Its easy to blame Rome in Europe, with their known hatred for both celts and Carthage; but using a giant paintbrush roller instead of the tiny watercolour brush that’s required, there seems to have been a big shift against women across Eurasia two thousand years ago.

In Britain we also have to deal with the resurgence of imperialism brought in by the Normans who copied the Roman adventures before them in a few different ways. Imperialism = excess and imbalanced power and obsessions with power, seems = male domination instincts let loose = bad for women.

“A lot of male Afghans who try to come here are 14 - 18”

A lot of male Afghans who try to come here pretend they are 14 - 18.
Corrected it for you

In that context let’s not forget the influence of one Putin who’s known to engage in dodgy practices, pushing immigrants to Europe.

Jesus christ, its literally legal, the law is designed for these disgusting 'fathers' to be able to sell their daughters, in need of food or not. Doesn't that tell you everything about these revolting men? Who is 'buying' these girls? Do you really think you'd ever decide you had 'no choice' but to sell your child into rape, slavery and abuse? Death would be better.

Why haven’t any British men with non immigrant backgrounds carried out the massive murder of children in public since Dunblane? Yet we have Southport, Manchester Arena, Parnell Square..?

Exactly. It’s fucking LEGAL. Yet you’ll get the usual numb skulls rushing along to say how it’s ’a very unusual and unfortunate thing that usually their society wouldn’t do’ blah blah

I wish we could just help the poor more as a whole world. But that doesn’t bring any profits does it???!

That's highly unfair. Lots of British (among others) soldiers died trying to stop the Taliban taking over in Afghanistan. The UK has tried and failed to stop this disaster.

Britain tried to get control of Afghanistan in the days of the Empire and failed. Russia tried too, and again when they invaded in 1980. None of these attempte succeeded.

The Taliban are unbeatable because they are ruthless. They don't care about human life or suffering. They only care about forcing their cruel regime on to the poor inhabitants. I don't know what we can do to help them. I feel the same as you, OP, but if the Taliban won't co-operate, what can anyone do apart from...yes, invading again, and we know how that ends.

The Taliban are unbeatable as most of the men support them. Or at least will do absolutely nothing to stop them. I wish people would just fucking admit it. If it was a white country they’d have no problems saying the men were terrifyingly misogynistic and far right.

It’s weird how terrifyingly misogynistic far right Colonialist regimes who favour slavery are so supported by so-called left wing progressives in this country.

I know - I can’t understand it at all. It’s shocking.

Do left wing progressives in the UK support the Taliban? I've seen terrible attitudes towards Hamas but I've never come across support for the Taliban.
Even papers like The Guardian which take some awful positions are completely negative about the Taliban.

Where have you seen progressive support for it?

Exactly. My point is that it's crucial to find out how radicalisation occurs with people already born here. Deporting immigrants won't solve terrorist threat from people born here though it would lessen it.