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I'm fed up with everyone tiptoeing around Brexit having been rubbish

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paddleboardingmum · 18/05/2026 19:23

We can all see how it hasn't stopped immigration, we don't have the more money for the NHS that was promised, and everyone is worse off. I'm sure even many who voted for it - who were conned at the time- also can see it was rubbish. Isn't it time for people to stop pretending it was a good idea. That doesn't mean we need to rejoin right now or blame anybody, but I think it's time to just face facts and stop trying to pretend it was a good idea.

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38thparallel · 19/05/2026 13:48

RosieHosie · Today 12:23
The phrase 'sunlit uplands' is annoying. I wish people would stop using it. I don't ever remember it being used in the run up to the referendum.

Yes and ‘turkeys voting for Christmas’ is another frequent one.

AndrewMountbattenWindsor · 19/05/2026 13:51

Corianda · 19/05/2026 13:40

I think he was appeasing the anti eurpope bunch in his party and assuming ,(shame he didn’t leave London and ask around the country) that a large ish majority to staywould result and shut the grumbles up.

More fool him. As I pp, people usually vote for change.

ByGraptharsHammer · 19/05/2026 13:58

38thparallel · 19/05/2026 13:48

RosieHosie · Today 12:23
The phrase 'sunlit uplands' is annoying. I wish people would stop using it. I don't ever remember it being used in the run up to the referendum.

Yes and ‘turkeys voting for Christmas’ is another frequent one.

Turkeys voting for Christmas is not Brexit specific! It’s been around for years to mean people who vote against their own interests- James Callahan used it against MPs who supported no confidence motions against Labour who if there was an election, would certainly lose their seats. It’s just a phrase for political idiocy and an inability to see the consequences of your actions.

Swiftie1878 · 19/05/2026 14:06

SapphOhNo · 19/05/2026 12:26

But this is the problem with the argument though. Any evidence Brexit harmed the economy is dismissed as “biased orthodoxy”, while any future growth can be claimed as proof Brexit worked. That’s not really a falsifiable position. And again, the point is not that Britain collapsed into economic ruin. The point is that we were promised Brexit would make us more prosperous, boost trade, reduce bureaucracy and unleash growth. Nearly a decade on, even you’re describing the economic effects as “negligible” and “pretty much the same”. That alone is a long way from what was sold to voters.

And again, we’ve had Covid and two significant wars since then. ‘Things haven’t got better’ is a futile exclamation, as if you look over the channel, things are pretty shit in the EU at the moment too!

Notonthestairs · 19/05/2026 14:30

The phrase ‘Sunlit uplands’ was very deliberately chosen by proponents of Leave for its link to Churchill/Finest Hour speech.
it’s looks all the more facetious now.

ByGraptharsHammer · 19/05/2026 14:39

Notonthestairs · 19/05/2026 14:30

The phrase ‘Sunlit uplands’ was very deliberately chosen by proponents of Leave for its link to Churchill/Finest Hour speech.
it’s looks all the more facetious now.

In a way it gives the game away. You’ve got a hell of a climb to get there from the dark pit you are in now.

Two words for the most complex political decision since 1939. I think people take more care buying shoes

EasternStandard · 19/05/2026 14:41

Swiftie1878 · 19/05/2026 14:06

And again, we’ve had Covid and two significant wars since then. ‘Things haven’t got better’ is a futile exclamation, as if you look over the channel, things are pretty shit in the EU at the moment too!

It does look fairly flat there too. Perhaps it can be debated at GE and move on from the discussions and blame.

Although if things don’t improve much will people want to get out again. Can’t keep switching.

BadPennyReturns · 19/05/2026 15:18

I think Brits living in the EU or those with relatives over there are big champions to rejoin and you can see why. But put the question to the British in the UK and tell folk they have to accept the euro, Schengen, contribute billions, help pay off the EU's covid debt, accept freedom of movement, lose independent trade deals, lose sovereignty and hand over control to Brussels and any appetite to rejoin will turn to dust.

LakieLady · 19/05/2026 15:22

Corianda · 19/05/2026 13:42

I wonder how many rampant anti Brexiteers live along the SE and south coast

Quite a lot, going by the map here Brexit voting maps .

LakieLady · 19/05/2026 15:28

If Cameron had been a bit smarter, he'd have made it a two-stage process: a vote on the principle of leaving and a second confirmatory one when the terms had been agreed in principle.

They'd probably still be negotiating the terms, and whatever the final agreement was would probably not have satisfied everyone who wanted to leave, so they'd have voted against acceptance.

SapphOhNo · 19/05/2026 15:37

GasPanic · 19/05/2026 13:06

Well yes.

When you look at the facts and the facts tell you nothing remarkable happened over the time period then it is hard to come to any fast conclusion about what Brexit has done to the economy because of the complexity of the analysis.

So you won't be surprised to learn that a lot of people aren't convinced by arguments either way. No matter how many TLA are behind them.

We may have been told Brexit will make us richer. We were also told Brexit would make us poorer.

So who was more mis-sold, the voter who voted remain because they wanted to be less dependent on the EU politically but was fearful of the projected economic outcome by Project Fear ?

Or the voter that wanted to remain for political reasons but voted leave because of the promise of large economic benefits ?

There isn't a good claim that either side covered themselves in glory here in my opinion.

But the issue is that “nothing remarkable happened” is itself a long way from what Brexit was sold as. We were told it would boost growth, unleash trade, cut red tape, reduce immigration and give us major new economic opportunities. Instead, even defenders are now arguing the effects are basically negligible and too complex to measure clearly. That’s quite a retreat from the original promises. And there’s also a difference between economists warning there would likely be economic costs from creating trade barriers with our biggest market, versus politicians actively promising obvious upsides with very little downside. Those are not really equivalent claims.

MaggiesShadow · 19/05/2026 15:59

I think if you were the type of person to vote for it, you're unlikely to be the type of person to admit this. Probably unlikely to admit to the real reason for wanting it, honestly.

And were probably too busy in London at the weekend to do much reflecting on it.

YourGiddyGreyHelper · 19/05/2026 16:16

Arlanymor · 18/05/2026 19:25

Why do you think we don't all know this?

Because no party leader will come out and say it

Arlanymor · 19/05/2026 17:01

YourGiddyGreyHelper · 19/05/2026 16:16

Because no party leader will come out and say it

The OP was about ordinary people not acknowledging it, not politicians.

And my first minister did: https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2024-03-21/i-see-independence-for-wales-as-opposite-to-brexit-says-plaid-cymru-leader

paddleboardingmum · 19/05/2026 17:06

The OP was about ordinary people not acknowledging it, not politicians.

I was saying about MPs and the media not acknowledging it (explained that in the thread but its quite a long thread now.

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Swiftie1878 · 19/05/2026 17:09

Arlanymor · 19/05/2026 17:01

The OP was about ordinary people not acknowledging it, not politicians.

And my first minister did: https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2024-03-21/i-see-independence-for-wales-as-opposite-to-brexit-says-plaid-cymru-leader

How is independence the opposite of Brexit?!

Arlanymor · 19/05/2026 17:09

paddleboardingmum · 19/05/2026 17:06

The OP was about ordinary people not acknowledging it, not politicians.

I was saying about MPs and the media not acknowledging it (explained that in the thread but its quite a long thread now.

Yes to be fair I was just responding to someone who directly quoted me and incorrectly asserted that no politicians have made the point. I've been having a new boiler fitted today so not much time to scroll back. Either way, our first minister has said in the past very clearly that it was a bad idea. But I guess it's not 'enough' of a politician for some people perhaps?!

user281262 · 19/05/2026 17:10

It is a socialist project about the redistribution of wealth. Ours to poorer members and the funding of unelected Brussels bureaucrats. We only ever paid in. £billions a month.

We should go nowhere near it ever again.

Arlanymor · 19/05/2026 17:11

Swiftie1878 · 19/05/2026 17:09

How is independence the opposite of Brexit?!

Here you go - not hard to google it:

Brexit is a failure... by the leader of Plaid.

Borrowerdale · 19/05/2026 17:12

we don't have the more money for the NHS that was promised

The NHS has received more than double the money that was ‘promised’.

GasPanic · 19/05/2026 17:14

SapphOhNo · 19/05/2026 15:37

But the issue is that “nothing remarkable happened” is itself a long way from what Brexit was sold as. We were told it would boost growth, unleash trade, cut red tape, reduce immigration and give us major new economic opportunities. Instead, even defenders are now arguing the effects are basically negligible and too complex to measure clearly. That’s quite a retreat from the original promises. And there’s also a difference between economists warning there would likely be economic costs from creating trade barriers with our biggest market, versus politicians actively promising obvious upsides with very little downside. Those are not really equivalent claims.

Leave said things that have turned out to be untrue.

Remain said things that have turned out to be untrue.

I don't see that Remain should get a free pass just because they lost, any more than Leave should get one because they won.

I don't see any difference really between politicians and economists. Two sides of the same coin. Both of them have their political axe to grind, and I don't believe everything that comes out of the mouths of economists is politically neutral - in fact far from it from the time I spend studying their analysis.

So to repeat. Again. I don't see as Leave or Remain being any better behaved or more accurate than the other in terms of things they suggested would happen during the campaign and the actual outcomes . And I don't see any significant macro/gross data to show that Brexit has been "the worst thing ever/rubbish" in economic terms.

My view obviously doesn't fit with the narrative that a lot of people want to put forward that Leave somehow behaved a lot worse than Remain. That we have indeed suffered catastrophic economic decline since undergoing Brexit.

Sorry about that. If at any point I see something to make me change my mind on the matter I will be sure to let everyone know, not that anyone will really care.

SapphOhNo · 19/05/2026 17:16

user281262 · 19/05/2026 17:10

It is a socialist project about the redistribution of wealth. Ours to poorer members and the funding of unelected Brussels bureaucrats. We only ever paid in. £billions a month.

We should go nowhere near it ever again.

“Socialist project” is always a funny description of an organisation built around free markets, free movement of capital and tight limits on state intervention. Also “we only ever paid in” is Facebook meme economics. We got rebates, funding, investment and frictionless access to our largest market. But sure, wrecking trade and growth to save a fraction of GDP from “Brussels bureaucrats” was definitely the masterstroke some people still pretend it was.

Thank you "user281262" for your insight.

user281262 · 19/05/2026 17:19

it was our own money being rebated, funded et al. It wasn’t free money!!

Swiftie1878 · 19/05/2026 17:22

Arlanymor · 19/05/2026 17:11

Here you go - not hard to google it:

Brexit is a failure... by the leader of Plaid.

Ah, a load of nonsense then! 😂😂😂

Arlanymor · 19/05/2026 17:24

Swiftie1878 · 19/05/2026 17:22

Ah, a load of nonsense then! 😂😂😂

Yes Wales doesn't matter at all does it? Please don't come on holiday here.

PS. Laugh all you want, but you were wrong weren't you? Almost as stupid as Judge Rinder saying Plaid would never get into power...

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