AIBU to compare pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests? Both involve hatred antisemitism or racism and both end up in trouble. Two cheeks of the same ass as I've heard on here before!

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Pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests this Saturday with yet again thousands of officers having to spend the day controling these protests. Surely there is a better way. Static protest or once a month for Gaza? I think Tommy's lot isn't weekly like the Gaza lot.

Antisemitism is a major problem and general racism also up. Armoured vehicles are needed now with the first time in 15 years to use them. Terror incidents have risen yet what have either of these 'protests' achieved apart from further divisions!

Stick them in separate areas and tell them to stand with their various placards and keep them there. They ave their virtue signalling and hate fuelled moments but stop annoying the rest of us and keep the costs down - it's costing millions of pounds.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15816041/Met-Police-call-armoured-cars-London-braces-day-pro-Palestine-Tommy-Robinson-led-protests.html

Fully agree, but someone will be along shortly claiming that Hamas withholding aid is Israeli propaganda.
I’ve also seen recent reports about Hamas militants actively threatening and blocking Palestinian contractors seeking to build infrastructure in Israeli-controlled zones of the Gaza Strip.
They’re also still refusing to disarm as per the 2025 ceasefire agreement.

Here you are again ⬇️ It’s true and the information is not hard to find however much you throw up your arms in horror and suggest anyone who believes it is an idiot.

If you don’t like the message, attack the source.

You are a grown up, you (and others) can look up your own sources.

I’m not sure why you are discrediting the Times of Israel. I don’t imagine you have any legitimate concerns and it’s just a knee jerk response. Not very good faith argument.

Link added

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-secret-esther-project-doj-filings-reveal-paid-us-influencer-campaign/

Stopping what genocide? The one against Israel from Hamas, including what Hamas does to it's own? Of course not. 'Pro Palestine' marches are pro terrorism. Nothing more, nothing less. If any of them ever once had a sign saying something like 'no to Hamas', then I might believe it. But strangely they never call out Hamas, who have caused the most Palestinian deaths.

They didn't say you did. They asked you what you thought of the statement. It's a fair enough question. Why can't you answer it?

This is absolutely fucking insane. Hamas have quite openly let their civilians die to create propaganda against Israel. They spent a fortune in time and money preparing for this war yet built not one civilian bomb shelter. They built an underground city of tunnels yet did not let civilians in when Israel pre warned of bombing. They have even stated they need their civilians to die.

Yet you think a story about BN getting someone to post something on SM is a big gotcha?!?!

The double standards against Israel are off the scale.

And that is what shows this is not a pro-Palestinian rally. There is no concern for the people of Palestine here. If there was we’d have had two and a half years of rage against Hamas. This is a hate movement against Zionists and Jews.

And Zionism is the right of Jewish people not to be slaughtered. Two thousand years of ‘lived experience’ to use modern parlance, taught Jews they cannot rely on the governments and fellow citizens of countries they live in to keep them safe. They can only rely on themselves.

And the absolute bile and hate directed so readily against Jews across the West since Oct 7th 2023 shows they are right.

When I hear them speaking against Hamas, only then will I ever believe these protests are truly anti-genocide.

Exactly. It's code words from racist bigots who hate Jewish people and think they have no right to exist at all. That Israel doesn't have the right to exist as a country. And that Jewish people don't have the right to exist at all. These people would be fully supportive of Hitler's actions were he alive today.

Despite the fact that Israel is the only country Jews have. Muslims have many Islamic countries, Jews have none but Israel. It's simply not fair if you think with logic.

It's no more unacceptable than 'Zionist' is.

Yes, it's like the abbreviations 'Eng', 'Aust', etc. Pal. is just an abbreviation for Palestine.

I am just repeating the information that's out there because a lot of people, including the op don't understand what is going on.

Robinson may well be completely racist. However Saturday and much of what he has done in the past is completely focused on the Muslim "threat".

The op and others seem to believe his March will be anti Jewish too. It won't. It is using the issue and, as you say the Jews, to focus on the Muslims.

But again the op is completely wide of the mark. Meeting many working class people as I do, the feeling is that we are being "over run" "our culture destroyed " and that it's not in fact the immigrants as such but the politically correct, woke, liberal left that is the biggest threat to the UK.

I agree wholeheartedly. I am so sick of the 'oh but we are just protesting against children being killed!' brigade. No you are not. If you were only doing that, the protests would be 'We abhor the killing of children! We abhor wars worldwide! Stop killing other humans!' But instead they go much, much further with this 'from the river to the sea' rubbish, which I suspect most people don't even understand. It's pure hatred towards Israel. I don't see any 'We protest against Hamas killing children!' banners. Why not? So much dishonesty here.

Yes I watched the video, Ana Kasparian seems like a very unpleasant person but the scare cord when the woman said Israeli government was a nice touch.

So what do you think about the other videos on the same channel, which you apparently trust enough to get your information from?

If you Google them, both women post videos about each other. Here’s Netanyahu’s paid influencer Emily sharing a video about Ana. I’m not getting into a ‘she said, she said’ debate about either of their videos. If you want to critique their videos, go right ahead.

https://x.com/Emilyaustin/status/2051828688841318548?s=20

Yet you think a story about BN getting someone to post something on SM is a big gotcha?!?!

It’s a lot more than one influencer. From the link posted upthread:

“The contracts allow for up to $900,000 in payments over several months and include a detailed pricing schedule: $60,000 in upfront payments to cover influencer recruitment and concept development, another $140,000 in development-phase payments as five or six influencers began posting, and monthly allocations of up to $250,000 earmarked for influencer fees, production, and agency costs. A final $50,000 was budgeted for wrap-up and post-campaign reporting.

The filings also map out a phased rollout: three to six influencers onboarded at a time, each expected to post roughly 25 to 30 pieces of content per month across Instagram, TikTok, and other platforms. Later phases anticipated further expansion, including “matching with Israeli content partners” and developing partnerships with US-based marketing agencies.

Netanyahu added, “We have to fight with the weapons that apply to the battlefields in which we engage, and the most important ones are on social media.”

You're the one who seems to be promoting the channel to back up your views. I'm not interested in "critiquing" some twitter spat beween an antisemite and an influencer who are both probably lining their pockets from it.

I love the fact that you completely ignore the double standard which was the clear substance of my post.

Your post went off on a tangent unrelated to my post, I talked about Netanyahu’s paid influencers on Instagram and you said there was one story. I responded that there is a lot more than that.

I’ve just linked to Netanyahu’s influencer’s channel too. You can view their content if you want to and make up your own mind. Don’t expect me to review it for you.

Where to start?

Perhaps with this bizarre claim.

Israel has fought an exemplary war in terms of keeping an extraordinarily low civilian to combatant death count

Posting for others to read not you @splendidcar as I imagine this is more information that you neither know whether it’s true or not or care.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/21/revealed-israeli-militarys-own-data-indicates-civilian-death-rate-of-83-in-gaza-war

Well said!

Oh my God! This is exactly the sort of propaganda bias I am talking about.

Absolutely no discussion of why the civilian death rates are so high, let alone any mention of what Israel did to reduce them.

That propaganda piece is not comparing urban warfare with urban warfare. Top tip - if a comparator is not like for like, you know someone is trying to propaganderise you. And even in that propaganda piece from the Guardian they have to admit that were it is similar warfare in a city, the rates are similar to in Gaza.

And you actually thought this shit was a gotcha??!

Look, civilian deaths have been as they are - and all deaths are awful - because Hamas did not build bomb shelters to protect its civilians in the war it long planned to start, and did not shelter them in the tunnels in built. Our government sheltered civilians in the tube in bombing raids and Ukraine did likewise. Hamas could of and actively chose not to. Why are aren't you condemning that and laying deaths of civilians on Hamas's door. Why are you not doing that??

Don't bother answering. We all know why.

So have I got this right? It’s antisemitic to criticise IDF soldiers killing children and it’s antisemitic to criticise the Israeli government for paying influencers in the US to promote Israel’s interests? Despite both these being true?

Is it antisemitic to criticise the Israeli regime at all for things it’s actually doing? It seems so by this logic.