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AIBU to compare pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests? Both involve hatred antisemitism or racism and both end up in trouble. Two cheeks of the same ass as I've heard on here before!

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HeyHoHenryHippy · 14/05/2026 12:49

Pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests this Saturday with yet again thousands of officers having to spend the day controling these protests. Surely there is a better way. Static protest or once a month for Gaza? I think Tommy's lot isn't weekly like the Gaza lot.

Antisemitism is a major problem and general racism also up. Armoured vehicles are needed now with the first time in 15 years to use them. Terror incidents have risen yet what have either of these 'protests' achieved apart from further divisions!

Stick them in separate areas and tell them to stand with their various placards and keep them there. They ave their virtue signalling and hate fuelled moments but stop annoying the rest of us and keep the costs down - it's costing millions of pounds.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15816041/Met-Police-call-armoured-cars-London-braces-day-pro-Palestine-Tommy-Robinson-led-protests.html

Met call up armoured cars as London braces for a day of protests

In a package of measures billed as the toughest ever, 4,000 officers will be deployed to deal with the Tommy Robinson-led Unite the Kingdom rally and a pro-Palestine gathering to mark Nakba Day.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15816041/Met-Police-call-armoured-cars-London-braces-day-pro-Palestine-Tommy-Robinson-led-protests.html

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Ikeasucks · 17/05/2026 14:50

I’ve never marched or protested- only one that might get me out on the streets is if Israelis and Palestinians marched together to promote a peaceful future

TwinklyGoldPeer · 17/05/2026 15:22

Ikeasucks · 17/05/2026 14:50

I’ve never marched or protested- only one that might get me out on the streets is if Israelis and Palestinians marched together to promote a peaceful future

Very ideal bit unrealistic.

Ikeasucks · 17/05/2026 15:24

TwinklyGoldPeer · 17/05/2026 15:22

Very ideal bit unrealistic.

Something has to shift 🤷‍♂️

TwinklyGoldPeer · 17/05/2026 15:30

Ikeasucks · 17/05/2026 15:24

Something has to shift 🤷‍♂️

Agree and it looks like it's going to be a radical shit in either left or right direction.

TwinklyGoldPeer · 17/05/2026 15:41

This reply has been deleted

Posted on the wrong thread.

SuffolkSun · 17/05/2026 15:51

This reply has been deleted

Posted on the wrong thread.

Reported. Off topic.

TwinklyGoldPeer · 17/05/2026 16:04

SuffolkSun · 17/05/2026 15:51

Reported. Off topic.

Thanks for reporting. Meant to post it on the where are Labour going wrong thread. 👍

noblegiraffe · 17/05/2026 16:08

TwinklyGoldPeer · 17/05/2026 15:30

Agree and it looks like it's going to be a radical shit in either left or right direction.

I can't decide if you actually meant to write shift, because shit works too.

TwinklyGoldPeer · 17/05/2026 16:10

noblegiraffe · 17/05/2026 16:08

I can't decide if you actually meant to write shift, because shit works too.

😆 🤣 yes it was unintentional

Twiglets1 · 17/05/2026 16:30

SuffolkSun · 17/05/2026 15:51

Reported. Off topic.

Actually it’s not against the rules to go off topic on MN.

I think it would be a good rule to introduce and have seen it working well on another site at keeping people on topic, but not this one.

People frequently go completely off topic.

Leorag · 17/05/2026 16:47

Yes, the "Nakba", the war started by Arab armies to try and eliminate the newly established Jewish State just a few short years after the Holocaust. Which against all odds the Jews won. They had been offered a Country, the same as Jewish people had and rejected it, choosing instead war as they have now done multiple times since. One might think they care more about killing Jews than having their own State alongside Israel. Can't think why Israel might be wary of them as neighbours? Most of them also left of their own free will thinking they would come back when all the Jews had been killed. The ones that stayed are full citizens of Israel with equal rights.

Nearly a million Jews were also kicked out of Arab countries in this time period. Yet they're not perpetual refugees. They just got on with it and built a life. Israel has never started a war, only defended herself. Gazans started a war aiming to kill as many Israelis as they could in the most horrific ways they could and it didn't go well for them...apart from that they seem to have won the propaganda war in the West with doctored images of starving children and stories of dogs being trained to rape being published as fact and Western leftist like yourself believing it so absolutely you take to the streets to march in support of radical Islamic terrorists. You're not helping the people In Gaza supporting them...look up Gazans who have escaped Gaza and can see the only way to peace is to accept the Jewish state and develop friendly relations, not teach children from Kindergarten that they are the enemy.

Sorry I meant to quote a post of yours @Cheeks4970

Givememynameback · 17/05/2026 16:59

SuffolkSun · 17/05/2026 14:44

You've posted the link to this article three or so times? Did you read it yourself? Apologies for the long post, but here's a breakdown of what it does or doesn't say.

First para: Jewish leaders have warned MPs some members of a London synagogue may miss Shabbat service tomorrow because of concerns over a nearby pro-Palestinian protest.

Third para: there are questions over the permitted route of the pro-Palestinian march.

Sixth para: [Russell Langer] said: “It has gone backwards,” and suggested the Metropolitan Police should use existing powers to reroute the march away from the synagogue.

Ninth para: [Met Police involvement to change the route of the March is]...not happening this weekend despite the evidence of the impact on a central London synagogue

13th and 14th paras:... the Met’s decision not to reroute the march has baffled some observers/Lord Walney, co-chair of the APPG on defending democracy and formerly the government’s independent adviser on political violence and extremism, said: “The Met’s assessment that there is not sufficient risk of serious public disorder in these circumstances to recommend the marches don’t go ahead is baffling.”

Italics in the quotes are mine.

What the article fails to mention or fails to provide information on:

  • The location of the Synagogue referred to. The actual route of the 16th May march. The locations of both in relation to each other.
  • What the "concerns" of unspecified worshippers actually are.
  • What the "questions" over the march route relate to.
  • Details to substantiate the claim that the Met were not involved in finalising the march route.
  • Details to substantiate the claim that there is "evidence" worshippers at a Synagogue will be impacted.
  • Substantive details of the Met's actual assessment of the risk of serious public disorder at the 16th May march. And substantive details of why this assessment was erroneous.

As a piece of journalism, the article is very poor. A give-away in the first para is the passive voice (unnamed people "have warned") and the conditional tense (something might happen because of an unspecified thing).

Subsequent paras then elide quotes from various speakers at various different parliamentary committees/groups talking about related issues (in different contexts) but not the specific issue (16th May march) the article is supposedly looking at. All topped off by the statement "The Met has been approached for comment" - which underlines the fact that anything the article says, or implies, about the Met relating to the 16th May march and marches generally is hearsay or subjective opinion. The article is designed to bait feelings, not accurately analyse a situation.

As we now know, because it's the day after the two London marches, not the day before, there was no serious public disorder. No Synagogue or other building was attacked. No passers-by were attacked. It would seem that the Met's assessment of the level of risk was correct - and that the highly selective quotes in the article were based on...not fact-based information.

After reading this thread, I googled the route of the pro-Palestine march. The closest it came to the one Synagogue in any of the areas passed through is just under half a mile. It actually seems that the march went along a less-straightforward route - possibly precisely to avoid the Synagogue; the most obvious route the march could have taken would have been, at one point, 100 yards or so from the Synagogue (although not passing directly in front of it). And the Met always has final input into the route of any march.

It's disingenous to infer, or claim, that pro-Palestine marches in London (seven in the last 10 months, ranging in size from 1,000 to the estimated 50,000 at the 16 May march) deliberately route themselves through Jewish communities. The Met decides the final route. There might be a synagogue somewhere in the not-close vicinity of a march (as yesterday); this is a reflection of London's history and development. Whatever the Jewish population of Central London is, they live among and alongside hundreds of thousands of people from all religious backgrounds or none from all over the world, and not as a distinguishable community in the sense of Golders Green or Stoke Newington. And there are no marches through those areas.

It's disingenuous to infer (as a quote posted on this thread does) that pro-Palestine marches are held on a Saturday to somehow undermine Jewish Sabbeth. Any march is usually organised for a Saturday because many people don't work on Saturdays.

It's also disingenuous to infer that all pro-Palestine demonstrators - in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Glasgow and elsewhere - are by default terrorist-sympathisers (the High Court has ruled the Home Office proscription of Palestine Action unlawful), pro-Hamas (laughable and not worth addressing) and anti-Semitic. Protesting the actions of the current Israeli government in Gaza and the West Bank is legitimate and remains legitimate even when a sector of the protestors, to whom you are unconnected, hold placards or chant slogans that are offensive or anti-Semitic; and if the latter, current laws can, and do provide grounds for arrest and charging.

In the same way, it would be disingenuous to claim that all attendees at yesterday's "Unite the Kingdom" rally are anti- Semitic because of the presence of some actual Neo-Nazis on the march Seig Heiling and holding banners calling for the end of the "Zionist occupation" of Britain.

It is very clear that levels of openly expressed anti-Semitism (along with other racisms) are rising across society. That's a problem for all of us. And if British Jews feel they are unsafe, their concerns must be taken seriously. But, the badly-written article quoted above is not the way to listen or respond. Far more useful - for the general population to understand, for effective policy to be formulated, for appropriate action to be taken - is to be specific, to monitor, to follow up and to present fact-based information. The fact that this isn't happening across large sections of the media is also a problem for us all.

Excellent post and analysis
meanwhile

I wasn’t aware of the Neo Nazis on the Unite the Kingdom march. I saw the Israeli flag so am surprised by this. Not hugely tbh, we know TRs views

Cheeks4970 · 17/05/2026 17:28

Leorag · 17/05/2026 16:47

Yes, the "Nakba", the war started by Arab armies to try and eliminate the newly established Jewish State just a few short years after the Holocaust. Which against all odds the Jews won. They had been offered a Country, the same as Jewish people had and rejected it, choosing instead war as they have now done multiple times since. One might think they care more about killing Jews than having their own State alongside Israel. Can't think why Israel might be wary of them as neighbours? Most of them also left of their own free will thinking they would come back when all the Jews had been killed. The ones that stayed are full citizens of Israel with equal rights.

Nearly a million Jews were also kicked out of Arab countries in this time period. Yet they're not perpetual refugees. They just got on with it and built a life. Israel has never started a war, only defended herself. Gazans started a war aiming to kill as many Israelis as they could in the most horrific ways they could and it didn't go well for them...apart from that they seem to have won the propaganda war in the West with doctored images of starving children and stories of dogs being trained to rape being published as fact and Western leftist like yourself believing it so absolutely you take to the streets to march in support of radical Islamic terrorists. You're not helping the people In Gaza supporting them...look up Gazans who have escaped Gaza and can see the only way to peace is to accept the Jewish state and develop friendly relations, not teach children from Kindergarten that they are the enemy.

Sorry I meant to quote a post of yours @Cheeks4970

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You’re entitled to your view of everything you’ve written above but I don’t agree with it.

i have been following what has been going on in Palestine for a very long time, way before 7 Oct, so my views and beliefs are not just the result of “propaganda” as you like to think.

Leorag · 17/05/2026 19:11

Cheeks4970 · 17/05/2026 17:28

You’re entitled to your view of everything you’ve written above but I don’t agree with it.

i have been following what has been going on in Palestine for a very long time, way before 7 Oct, so my views and beliefs are not just the result of “propaganda” as you like to think.

You are out marching with people wearing Hamas headgear and carrying terrorist flags ( this could have been clamped down on I'm not sure but certainly in 23/24). You are still marching with people carrying placards of Khamenei. Iran is funding pretty much all the groups attacking Israel..Houthis, Hezbollah Hamas. Don't you think opposing Iran and Islamists would be a better strategy for eventual peace? Because none of these groups are at all interested in peace. And having western support for them ( even if you say you don't, by being on these matches it implies it) you are strengthening their position. Which will have a worse outcome for people actually living in Gaza. 🤷

Cheeks4970 · 17/05/2026 21:01

Leorag · 17/05/2026 19:11

You are out marching with people wearing Hamas headgear and carrying terrorist flags ( this could have been clamped down on I'm not sure but certainly in 23/24). You are still marching with people carrying placards of Khamenei. Iran is funding pretty much all the groups attacking Israel..Houthis, Hezbollah Hamas. Don't you think opposing Iran and Islamists would be a better strategy for eventual peace? Because none of these groups are at all interested in peace. And having western support for them ( even if you say you don't, by being on these matches it implies it) you are strengthening their position. Which will have a worse outcome for people actually living in Gaza. 🤷

I think Israel and the US are far greater threats to the world.

Twiglets1 · 17/05/2026 21:04

Cheeks4970 · 17/05/2026 21:01

I think Israel and the US are far greater threats to the world.

Greater threats than Islamist extremists like Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRGC?

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 21:11

Cheeks4970 · 17/05/2026 21:01

I think Israel and the US are far greater threats to the world.

I agree

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 21:11

Twiglets1 · 17/05/2026 21:04

Greater threats than Islamist extremists like Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRGC?

Yes far greater

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 21:13

Leorag · 17/05/2026 19:11

You are out marching with people wearing Hamas headgear and carrying terrorist flags ( this could have been clamped down on I'm not sure but certainly in 23/24). You are still marching with people carrying placards of Khamenei. Iran is funding pretty much all the groups attacking Israel..Houthis, Hezbollah Hamas. Don't you think opposing Iran and Islamists would be a better strategy for eventual peace? Because none of these groups are at all interested in peace. And having western support for them ( even if you say you don't, by being on these matches it implies it) you are strengthening their position. Which will have a worse outcome for people actually living in Gaza. 🤷

The Palestine flag isn't a terrorist flag and I have never marched with people in Hamas head gear. I don't shout chants against Jews or the IDF either. Sorry if that disappoints some posters on here

Twiglets1 · 17/05/2026 21:16

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 21:11

Yes far greater

Well at least you're honest.

Most people wouldn't admit to thinking terrorists dedicated to destroying Israel aren't as much threat to the world as the US or Israel.

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 21:20

Twiglets1 · 17/05/2026 21:16

Well at least you're honest.

Most people wouldn't admit to thinking terrorists dedicated to destroying Israel aren't as much threat to the world as the US or Israel.

Listen. I probably said this earlier in the thread but my mum and I used to visit asylum seekers in Dungavel in Scotland. One was Palestinian and he was so terrified of being sent back he fled to Ireland even after getting leave to stay.

I'm not "brave". I have reasons for supporting Palestine and I'm not going to be intimidated into saying how I feel just because it goes against the grain.

I think the IDF are terrorists and that's my view - and I will stand by that

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 21:22

And what happens if you say you support Palestine. You are called a Jew hater or a terrorist lover - as people have been called on this thread more than once. Biggest way to shut debate down. Just name call people

Twiglets1 · 17/05/2026 21:25

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 21:22

And what happens if you say you support Palestine. You are called a Jew hater or a terrorist lover - as people have been called on this thread more than once. Biggest way to shut debate down. Just name call people

Who has called someone a Jew hater or a terrorist lover on this thread? If this is true the post must be reported so MN can delete it as they won't tolerate that sort of thing.

Leorag · 17/05/2026 21:26

Cheeks4970 · 17/05/2026 21:01

I think Israel and the US are far greater threats to the world.

Ok, well I think it's clear then that most people in the Western world wouldn't agree with your views. I believe in Liberal Democracy. 85% of people on the terror watch list in the UK are Islamists. The terror level in London has been moved to severe last week. Israel and the US, whilst definitely not perfect are wholly preferable....what would you like, a theocratic State like Iran? You could live in the West Bank and benefit from "pay for slay"? I'm not really understanding your aim now.

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 21:27

Twiglets1 · 17/05/2026 21:25

Who has called someone a Jew hater or a terrorist lover on this thread? If this is true the post must be reported so MN can delete it as they won't tolerate that sort of thing.

I did report it this afternoon and it was removed by the mods