AIBU to compare pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests? Both involve hatred antisemitism or racism and both end up in trouble. Two cheeks of the same ass as I've heard on here before!

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Pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests this Saturday with yet again thousands of officers having to spend the day controling these protests. Surely there is a better way. Static protest or once a month for Gaza? I think Tommy's lot isn't weekly like the Gaza lot.

Antisemitism is a major problem and general racism also up. Armoured vehicles are needed now with the first time in 15 years to use them. Terror incidents have risen yet what have either of these 'protests' achieved apart from further divisions!

Stick them in separate areas and tell them to stand with their various placards and keep them there. They ave their virtue signalling and hate fuelled moments but stop annoying the rest of us and keep the costs down - it's costing millions of pounds.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15816041/Met-Police-call-armoured-cars-London-braces-day-pro-Palestine-Tommy-Robinson-led-protests.html

That's good then.

There's nothing wrong with you saying you support Palestine.

What I personally find rather offensive is you saying you think terrorist organisations like Hamas are better than the US or Israel. Hamas don't do anything good in the world at all, not even for their own citizens.

But like I said before, at least you're honest and I can see you have personal reasons for views that are different to most people in the West so perhaps we should leave it there.

Yes.

Trump is a maniac. As for "most people". That's just opinion. Your opinion to which you are entitled. I had to go to my uni over someone who was following me around on a uni Facebook page calling me a terrorist lover - and that's why I rarely post on topics about Palestine. Because I have been called a jew hater and an anti semite on these and other boards more than once. I'm not on any level

My friend fled for a reason. He would have been killed if he had returned. I have visited asylum seekers. I've seen the back stories.

I have no interest in being on threads where all you are is name called if you dare say you support Palestine.
And that is what happens. It's constant.

The word better wasn't used in your original post. I have a huge issue with people denying that there has been genocide in Palestine. That's all it is. I don't approve of violence or killing on either side as it happens. But there have been people on this thread denying that genocide in Palestine has taken place. I have issue with that but I won't lose sleep over it.

That's fine

No dear YouTube if not "proof" 🙄🙄🙄

You think that most people in the world support what Trump and Netanyahu are doing?

You can support Palestine without being anti -Israel though. The IDF are not terrorists. I know many many people who have either been in or are in the IDF ( there's conscription so most young people have been in) and the are without exception good people. I'm sure there are bad people in it like any army but on the whole they're like the US or UK army. I know Palestinians who are gay and escaped after their families had to pay money to Hamas to release them after they had been imprisoned and beaten for weeks ( this is before the war) but I imagine conditions there are worse now. People in Gaza will only be free when they're free of terrorists governing them.

My goodness. Are you suggesting the IDF don't kill Palestinians?

You're right, I used the word safer in my original post. Let me correct that:

What I personally find rather offensive is you saying you think terrorist organisations like Hamas are safer than the US or Israel. Hamas don't do anything good in the world at all, not even for their own citizens.

I am anti the IDF. That's not the same as being "anti Israel". Don't put words into my mouth. I don't appreciate it

I don't think I need to. You said it yourself.

Cheeks said I think Israel and the US are far greater threats to the world.

You said: I agree.

I have nothing against ordinary Israeli people. The issue is with their Government. Does that clarify better for you? Hopefully. Are you just trying to start a pile on?

Go and have a listen to the accounts on Breaking the Silence (Instagram, TikTok etc) and then come back here and tell us the IDF are good people.

Don't let them get to you x

we have been told our whole lives that the US is the good guys but I no longer believe this.

No I’m trying to keep the debate factual & calm.

Good that you have now clarified that you meant the IDF not Israel when you agreed with Cheeks saying that Israel and the US are far greater threats to the world (than Hamas, Hezbollah & the IRGC).

What do you mean by “the US”? Just Trump & his government/military or something else?

See with respect. I really have had enough of this site for one weekend. I have had to go to the mods more than once over really hateful comments that have been made to me - and I really don't want to discuss anything any further right now.

Fair enough.

Indeed. I'm going to derail right now so apologies in advance. My mum and I met a woman last year who was travelling around Scotland - why? Because she had to keep her income below a certain level to qualify for Medicare. In contrast the Scottish govt saved my mums life when she had a very aggressive cancer and put me back together when I had a life changing accident

I think Trump is a dangerous maniac - completely unhinged.

The VAST VAST majority of the IDF are good people. ALL Army's have bad people within them who should absolutely be taken to account and punished. Why are you focusing on just the Israeli army? Because if you are talking about human rights abuses there are army's far, far worse, including our own at times. Why are you holding Israel to a higher standard?

I absolutely agree with you that all armies have bad people. I’m focussing on the IDF as we’re talking about what’s going on in that part of the world.

The UN has evidenced that Israel’s military uses of sexual violence are systematic.

www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/03/more-human-can-bear-israels-systematic-use-sexual-reproductive-and-other

You can't evidence this on any level. You cannot. Killing toddlers. Killing aid workers. The evidence stacks against your viewpoint. Why would an army kill aid workers

This. Opinion is not evidence

Vast vast majority. Clap trap.