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AIBU to compare pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests? Both involve hatred antisemitism or racism and both end up in trouble. Two cheeks of the same ass as I've heard on here before!

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HeyHoHenryHippy · 14/05/2026 12:49

Pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests this Saturday with yet again thousands of officers having to spend the day controling these protests. Surely there is a better way. Static protest or once a month for Gaza? I think Tommy's lot isn't weekly like the Gaza lot.

Antisemitism is a major problem and general racism also up. Armoured vehicles are needed now with the first time in 15 years to use them. Terror incidents have risen yet what have either of these 'protests' achieved apart from further divisions!

Stick them in separate areas and tell them to stand with their various placards and keep them there. They ave their virtue signalling and hate fuelled moments but stop annoying the rest of us and keep the costs down - it's costing millions of pounds.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15816041/Met-Police-call-armoured-cars-London-braces-day-pro-Palestine-Tommy-Robinson-led-protests.html

Met call up armoured cars as London braces for a day of protests

In a package of measures billed as the toughest ever, 4,000 officers will be deployed to deal with the Tommy Robinson-led Unite the Kingdom rally and a pro-Palestine gathering to mark Nakba Day.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15816041/Met-Police-call-armoured-cars-London-braces-day-pro-Palestine-Tommy-Robinson-led-protests.html

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ChocolateAddictAlways · 17/05/2026 11:06

Yesterday Tommy Robinson was interviewed on the march by Weronika Rogowska who asked him what he would if he was PM and he immediately started talking about remigration of Muslims and that he would 'end Islam'. The idea that there isn't an element of racism at the core of these marches is ridiculous when the organiser is clearly frothing at the mouth with his hatred of Muslims. Absolutely gross.

HeyHoHenryHippy · 17/05/2026 11:22

EmeraldShamrock000 · 17/05/2026 10:54

Proud of what? The October 7th attacks, not a chance, the flattening of Gaza? not a chance. The rape tortured and murder carried out on both sides against innocent people? No. I am religious and would never support the violence.
How could anyone be proud of that.
Unlike some people.
They're all sicko’s imo.

Thanks for clarifying. The post I quoted from you gave the impression (obviously incorrectly) of being proud of what some call the resistance carried out on October 7th). I agree too much violence on both sides. I wish real peace could be achieved.

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Cheeks4970 · 17/05/2026 11:27

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SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 11:30

EmeraldShamrock000 · 17/05/2026 10:54

Proud of what? The October 7th attacks, not a chance, the flattening of Gaza? not a chance. The rape tortured and murder carried out on both sides against innocent people? No. I am religious and would never support the violence.
How could anyone be proud of that.
Unlike some people.
They're all sicko’s imo.

This is an attempt to portray one side as bad as the other - when there has been clear genocide in Palestine for decades. The West Bank has been occupied since 1967. "they are both sickos". Do you mean things like toddlers being shot dead by the IDF and Palestinians being displaced from their own land?

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 11:33

HeyHoHenryHippy · 17/05/2026 11:22

Thanks for clarifying. The post I quoted from you gave the impression (obviously incorrectly) of being proud of what some call the resistance carried out on October 7th). I agree too much violence on both sides. I wish real peace could be achieved.

Again - an attempt at "both siding". I think anyone with an ounce of sense would condemn what happened on the 7th of October. Do you condemn the actions of the IDF? Do you think Palestinians are treated fairly by Israel?

PeppyGreenTraybake · 17/05/2026 11:33

@Cheeks4970

Why did you put quotes around hostages?

AIBU to compare pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests?  Both involve hatred antisemitism or racism and both end up in trouble.  Two cheeks of the same ass as I've heard on here before!
inamarina · 17/05/2026 11:35

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Because it doesn’t make sense, that’s why.

inamarina · 17/05/2026 11:38

PeppyGreenTraybake · 17/05/2026 11:33

@Cheeks4970

Why did you put quotes around hostages?

Says it all, really.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 17/05/2026 11:38

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 11:30

This is an attempt to portray one side as bad as the other - when there has been clear genocide in Palestine for decades. The West Bank has been occupied since 1967. "they are both sickos". Do you mean things like toddlers being shot dead by the IDF and Palestinians being displaced from their own land?

I think spitting on the bodies and celebrations by adults and children in Palestine doesn’t make them innocent victims. Likewise raping prisoners and murdering children by the IDF is also sickening.
Therefore both are sick.
The two countries are married to violence against each other. IDF just has more power.

HeyHoHenryHippy · 17/05/2026 11:45

TwinklyGoldPeer · 17/05/2026 09:42

I think shouting to put zios in the ground was when humanity was lost. I hope that little fascist shit's future career is tarnished.

I remember seeing that at the time.

"University of Oxford student Samuel Williams was charged with stirring up racial hatred for leading a chant of "Gaza, Gaza make us proud, put the Zios in the ground" at an October 2025 demonstration in London. He was suspended by the university and is scheduled to face trial".

No idea how people can claim the protests are not antisemitic when things like this are shouted and many happily chant along 🙄

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HeyHoHenryHippy · 17/05/2026 11:48

The video appeared to show a man tell the crowd: "A steadfast and noble resistance in Palestine and in Gaza to look to, to be inspired by and - I don't want to yap for too long - but a chant that we've been workshopping in Oxford that maybe you guys want to join in.

"It goes 'Gaza, Gaza make us proud, put the Zios in the ground'

If that isn't hate speech!

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inamarina · 17/05/2026 11:59

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 11:30

This is an attempt to portray one side as bad as the other - when there has been clear genocide in Palestine for decades. The West Bank has been occupied since 1967. "they are both sickos". Do you mean things like toddlers being shot dead by the IDF and Palestinians being displaced from their own land?

How exactly do you define “genocide” if you think that that’s what’s been happening in Palestine ‘for decades’?

TwinklyGoldPeer · 17/05/2026 11:59

HeyHoHenryHippy · 17/05/2026 11:48

The video appeared to show a man tell the crowd: "A steadfast and noble resistance in Palestine and in Gaza to look to, to be inspired by and - I don't want to yap for too long - but a chant that we've been workshopping in Oxford that maybe you guys want to join in.

"It goes 'Gaza, Gaza make us proud, put the Zios in the ground'

If that isn't hate speech!

Vile hate speech which he thought he could get away with. If he's as ignorant, bigoted and arrogant at such a young age, hopefully a criminal label will make him reflect. He has to hope future employers are as 'liberal' minded as he. Good luck to him constantly having tk explain his actions.

HeyHoHenryHippy · 17/05/2026 12:03

TwinklyGoldPeer · 17/05/2026 11:59

Vile hate speech which he thought he could get away with. If he's as ignorant, bigoted and arrogant at such a young age, hopefully a criminal label will make him reflect. He has to hope future employers are as 'liberal' minded as he. Good luck to him constantly having tk explain his actions.

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He'll get an expensive lawyer to say he didn't realise it was offensive, he's got some disability, hes suffering mental health issues, and poor chap had had a bad day.

Actually apologising for his hate filled rant and suggesting October 7th was 'resistance' and then actually 'workshopped a chant' which was so disgusting that other hate filled idiots could chant along to was wrong, is unlikely to happen.

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HeyHoHenryHippy · 17/05/2026 12:07

Cheeks4970 · 16/05/2026 19:20

It was another uplifting March today with so many people from all walks of life standing in solidarity.

Your hate won’t win.

Will this type of hate win? (was on a protest in support of Palestine) Is that type of hate ok on protests?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89k0q3pz4no

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"The video appeared to show a man tell the crowd: "A steadfast and noble resistance in Palestine and in Gaza to look to, to be inspired by and - I don't want to yap for too long - but a chant that we've been workshopping in Oxford that maybe you guys want to join in.

"It goes 'Gaza, Gaza make us proud, put the Zios in the ground'." "

A man with blonde hair and glasses who is wearing a white and black scarf over his shoulders speaks into a microphone.

Trial date set for Oxford student accused of racial hatred at protest

Samuel Williams was charged after a video was posted online of a man chanting in Whitehall.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89k0q3pz4no

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MyLimeGuide · 17/05/2026 13:25

HeyHoHenryHippy · 16/05/2026 21:56

Since @Cheeks4970 suggested anti terrorism was hatred. Strange, most people dislike terrorists. Even terrorists have supporters

Ha yes very odd indeed!! Well its a modern world I guess! 😂

MyLimeGuide · 17/05/2026 13:33

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inamarina · 17/05/2026 13:58

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Because it’s a good way to shut down discussion.

MyLimeGuide · 17/05/2026 14:05

inamarina · 17/05/2026 13:58

Because it’s a good way to shut down discussion.

Well they failed didn't they?!😂

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 14:10

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Reported. People have the right to support Palestine without being referred to as terrorist supporters.

TwinklyGoldPeer · 17/05/2026 14:13

ChocolateAddictAlways · 17/05/2026 11:06

Yesterday Tommy Robinson was interviewed on the march by Weronika Rogowska who asked him what he would if he was PM and he immediately started talking about remigration of Muslims and that he would 'end Islam'. The idea that there isn't an element of racism at the core of these marches is ridiculous when the organiser is clearly frothing at the mouth with his hatred of Muslims. Absolutely gross.

Maybe he believes that radical Islam is the hot potato posed to consecutive PMs who dont want to handle it. Starmer has gone further and further alienated a good proportion of the electorate to appease the other.

TwinklyGoldPeer · 17/05/2026 14:14

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 14:10

Reported. People have the right to support Palestine without being referred to as terrorist supporters.

Likewise, people have the right to support and vote for political parties without being referred to as racists.

ByGraptharsHammer · 17/05/2026 14:43

When I look at the state of the UK and where we are now, I’ve never been sorrier about our failures to deal with religion. We should have become a properly secular state in the 1960s instead of the multifaith mess we have now, which is a kind social poison.

Bertrand Russell was right. God is not great, and groups that use it as an organizing principle will cause us to fight each other like nothing else. Both of these protests are a symptom of the UK’s decline into something irrational and hate based.

SuffolkSun · 17/05/2026 14:44

HeyHoHenryHippy · 15/05/2026 18:11

You've posted the link to this article three or so times? Did you read it yourself? Apologies for the long post, but here's a breakdown of what it does or doesn't say.

First para: Jewish leaders have warned MPs some members of a London synagogue may miss Shabbat service tomorrow because of concerns over a nearby pro-Palestinian protest.

Third para: there are questions over the permitted route of the pro-Palestinian march.

Sixth para: [Russell Langer] said: “It has gone backwards,” and suggested the Metropolitan Police should use existing powers to reroute the march away from the synagogue.

Ninth para: [Met Police involvement to change the route of the March is]...not happening this weekend despite the evidence of the impact on a central London synagogue

13th and 14th paras:... the Met’s decision not to reroute the march has baffled some observers/Lord Walney, co-chair of the APPG on defending democracy and formerly the government’s independent adviser on political violence and extremism, said: “The Met’s assessment that there is not sufficient risk of serious public disorder in these circumstances to recommend the marches don’t go ahead is baffling.”

Italics in the quotes are mine.

What the article fails to mention or fails to provide information on:

  • The location of the Synagogue referred to. The actual route of the 16th May march. The locations of both in relation to each other.
  • What the "concerns" of unspecified worshippers actually are.
  • What the "questions" over the march route relate to.
  • Details to substantiate the claim that the Met were not involved in finalising the march route.
  • Details to substantiate the claim that there is "evidence" worshippers at a Synagogue will be impacted.
  • Substantive details of the Met's actual assessment of the risk of serious public disorder at the 16th May march. And substantive details of why this assessment was erroneous.

As a piece of journalism, the article is very poor. A give-away in the first para is the passive voice (unnamed people "have warned") and the conditional tense (something might happen because of an unspecified thing).

Subsequent paras then elide quotes from various speakers at various different parliamentary committees/groups talking about related issues (in different contexts) but not the specific issue (16th May march) the article is supposedly looking at. All topped off by the statement "The Met has been approached for comment" - which underlines the fact that anything the article says, or implies, about the Met relating to the 16th May march and marches generally is hearsay or subjective opinion. The article is designed to bait feelings, not accurately analyse a situation.

As we now know, because it's the day after the two London marches, not the day before, there was no serious public disorder. No Synagogue or other building was attacked. No passers-by were attacked. It would seem that the Met's assessment of the level of risk was correct - and that the highly selective quotes in the article were based on...not fact-based information.

After reading this thread, I googled the route of the pro-Palestine march. The closest it came to the one Synagogue in any of the areas passed through is just under half a mile. It actually seems that the march went along a less-straightforward route - possibly precisely to avoid the Synagogue; the most obvious route the march could have taken would have been, at one point, 100 yards or so from the Synagogue (although not passing directly in front of it). And the Met always has final input into the route of any march.

It's disingenous to infer, or claim, that pro-Palestine marches in London (seven in the last 10 months, ranging in size from 1,000 to the estimated 50,000 at the 16 May march) deliberately route themselves through Jewish communities. The Met decides the final route. There might be a synagogue somewhere in the not-close vicinity of a march (as yesterday); this is a reflection of London's history and development. Whatever the Jewish population of Central London is, they live among and alongside hundreds of thousands of people from all religious backgrounds or none from all over the world, and not as a distinguishable community in the sense of Golders Green or Stoke Newington. And there are no marches through those areas.

It's disingenuous to infer (as a quote posted on this thread does) that pro-Palestine marches are held on a Saturday to somehow undermine Jewish Sabbeth. Any march is usually organised for a Saturday because many people don't work on Saturdays.

It's also disingenuous to infer that all pro-Palestine demonstrators - in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Glasgow and elsewhere - are by default terrorist-sympathisers (the High Court has ruled the Home Office proscription of Palestine Action unlawful), pro-Hamas (laughable and not worth addressing) and anti-Semitic. Protesting the actions of the current Israeli government in Gaza and the West Bank is legitimate and remains legitimate even when a sector of the protestors, to whom you are unconnected, hold placards or chant slogans that are offensive or anti-Semitic; and if the latter, current laws can, and do provide grounds for arrest and charging.

In the same way, it would be disingenuous to claim that all attendees at yesterday's "Unite the Kingdom" rally are anti- Semitic because of the presence of some actual Neo-Nazis on the march Seig Heiling and holding banners calling for the end of the "Zionist occupation" of Britain.

It is very clear that levels of openly expressed anti-Semitism (along with other racisms) are rising across society. That's a problem for all of us. And if British Jews feel they are unsafe, their concerns must be taken seriously. But, the badly-written article quoted above is not the way to listen or respond. Far more useful - for the general population to understand, for effective policy to be formulated, for appropriate action to be taken - is to be specific, to monitor, to follow up and to present fact-based information. The fact that this isn't happening across large sections of the media is also a problem for us all.

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