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AIBU to turn away from this man?

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NameChangeMay2026 · Today 19:00

FWB for 4.5 years and have just fallen in love with him. Need help.

I am against relationships. My horrible abusive prior marriage fucked me up so badly. I can't describe the shock when he walked out and left me alone in a foreign country, where we had made our lives, and the longterm depression that followed. I've seen the underbelly of relationships and now I can never un-see it. This total lack of faith in commitment is how I managed to stay feelings-free for so long. I do not believe in love. Everyone's out for themselves and male love is so shallow, all based on looks. You only have to look at the difference between how slim women and larger women are treated to see that. I have been both. When I was very slim, many years ago, the power I had with men was insane. It's truly pathetic.

He's a filthy dirty sexy man who has been lovely to me for a long time, and 18 months ago told me that he loves me. We don't that near, about an hour apart, so there's a built-in stop, which suits me well. I know he was unfaithful in his last marriage, which is a big thing that put me off. I figured that I was so broken about relationships and they were all crap and that I'd rather be hung up by my thumbs than ever marry or live with anyone again, so I might as well sleep with the sexy rogue. I could not ever imagine having anything but in-the-moment feelings for anyone again.

Maybe you would call it a casual relationship rather than FWB.

He's just lost his second parent and he sent me a link to the hundreds of family photos he's putting into a video. I made the mistake of looking at them, and I saw how gorgeous he was down the years, and still is, and how lovely his family is, and I don't know, it's done something to me. He looks so good in his new suit for the funeral. Now I'm sitting here playing teenage love songs and contemplating sending him Falling by Angry Anderson! It wouldn't be inappropriate, he's said he loves me many times, but I don't believe him. If he can cheat on his former wife and the mother of his children, he can do it to anyone.

I think relationships are a pile of utter horseshit. They promise the earth and then let you down from a great height. And don't get me started on marriage. Most people shouldn't be married. Most cannot live up to the promises of marriage. So I see no point, except to have sexy in-the-moment fun, and we have had a ton of that.

Now, how do I get out of these feelings? Withdraw a little? Throw a bucket of cold water over myself? See other people? I have actually tried that over the years, and found a couple of people I liked who ruined it by getting really sexual really fast. My FWB has excellent bedroom manners. I haven't really tried to date others in ages because my dad got cancer in 2022 and died in 2025.

YABU - Go for it with him. Send the song, fall into his arms, throw caution to the wind.
YANBU - Making a conscious decision not to play the love game is a perfectly reasonable approach to life if the stakes are too high for you. Withdraw gracefully.

I'm too old to have kids and he has adult kids, so there's no issue with life trajectories or anything. We're past all that.

OP posts:
TellHerToFuckOff · Today 21:09

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:05

What about Room in Your Heart by Living in a Box? If I were to send a song, which I probably won't.

Edited

We have very different musical tastes OP! 🙈😂 Don’t know if that one is actually worse!

TellHerToFuckOff · Today 21:11

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:04

Thank you!

I think I'll withdraw a bit for self-protection.

I disagree about the song, but people are so horrified I won't send it! I'll look up that song you recommend.

When you say withdraw a bit? What do you mean? What is yer set up now? Do ye meet weekly/monthly? Is it just meeting at home and having sex? Is it at home but more cosy? Do ye go out? Go away weekends?

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:12

TiredBeans · Today 20:32

Oh, that was wonderful! All the old cast, and Charlene looking so lovely. I love that song. I was torn between sending him Suddenly or the B side, Falling, which has been roundly denounced on here!

OP posts:
BarbiesDreamHome · Today 21:13

You haven't healed or learnt to live alone. You come across like you still need a man in your life but are kidding yourself you're in control.

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:14

TellHerToFuckOff · Today 21:09

We have very different musical tastes OP! 🙈😂 Don’t know if that one is actually worse!

🤣 Well what's a good song in your book, then? Prison Sex???

OP posts:
NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:15

BarbiesDreamHome · Today 21:13

You haven't healed or learnt to live alone. You come across like you still need a man in your life but are kidding yourself you're in control.

I've lived alone for nine years 🤷‍♀️

P.S. I haven't healed from the last few years though, not even close. (Parental deaths, their long illnesses marital breakup.) Also exhausted from menopause.

OP posts:
NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:17

TellHerToFuckOff · Today 21:11

When you say withdraw a bit? What do you mean? What is yer set up now? Do ye meet weekly/monthly? Is it just meeting at home and having sex? Is it at home but more cosy? Do ye go out? Go away weekends?

Weekly but texting and phoning a lot. I could text less and miss a date occasionally. Sometimes we just go out for dinner if we have work early the next day (our work locations make it difficult to stay over week nights, so if we have a weekday date, it's just dinner). Stay at each other's houses one weekend day and night but that has fallen off a little with him caring for his dad.

OP posts:
Legoleopard · Today 21:19

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 20:59

I think he would commit. And then I think he would shag around on the side. Once a cheater, always a cheater. I don't trust him.

I was a cheater, WAS. I wouldn't do it now. I could list a million excuses but I knew what I was doing and that it was wrong.

That was years ago, its almost like it was a different person. I caused a lot of hurt but I know I wouldn't do it again.

Cheaters can change. There just be some good in him for you to have spent this long with him in your life?

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:20

Legoleopard · Today 21:19

I was a cheater, WAS. I wouldn't do it now. I could list a million excuses but I knew what I was doing and that it was wrong.

That was years ago, its almost like it was a different person. I caused a lot of hurt but I know I wouldn't do it again.

Cheaters can change. There just be some good in him for you to have spent this long with him in your life?

You were? Like, a serial cheat? Or was it out of desperation bc your marriage was crap?

The good is that he's been a consistent friend and is great in bed.

OP posts:
NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:22

BarbiesDreamHome · Today 21:13

You haven't healed or learnt to live alone. You come across like you still need a man in your life but are kidding yourself you're in control.

I do need a man in terms of sex. I lived for so many years in a cold marriage, I'm not ready to give up touch and kissing and sex. I've got a relatively high libido.

OP posts:
Hubbalooloo · Today 21:23

You don’t have to live together of get married. You can tell him you love him and still carry on as you are.

BobbysDazzler · Today 21:26

Sooooo relieved you aren't sending that crap song! 😂

Cheaters very rarely change their spots. They have every intention of being true, that much I believe, but it rarely holds.

My ex was a drummer in a band and I was the other woman. He divorced and it was only me for a while, then I found out about others including one he'd been seeing for 11years, longer then his marriage!! He did 'pause' her but the lure of forbidden was too much for him. He'd also been bareback playing with them all, I RAN to clinic virtually!!

You'll make your own decisions but be wary if you go for it and always trust your gut.

TellHerToFuckOff · Today 21:27

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:17

Weekly but texting and phoning a lot. I could text less and miss a date occasionally. Sometimes we just go out for dinner if we have work early the next day (our work locations make it difficult to stay over week nights, so if we have a weekday date, it's just dinner). Stay at each other's houses one weekend day and night but that has fallen off a little with him caring for his dad.

Okay, so already doing relationship stuff! You say you’ve already ‘kind of’ told him you love him too… so what is it that you’re afraid will change? Can you not both tell each other you love the other, and continue on as you both have been? It seems to be working if you’re 4.5 years in!

Are you thinking you now want more? And if so, what does that ‘more’ look like to you?

Can I ask… you’ve obviously had a tough few years, has he been supportive? Caring? Considerate?

And also, have you both not slept with anyone else but each other in 4.5years, or another significant amount of time?

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:34

TellHerToFuckOff · Today 21:27

Okay, so already doing relationship stuff! You say you’ve already ‘kind of’ told him you love him too… so what is it that you’re afraid will change? Can you not both tell each other you love the other, and continue on as you both have been? It seems to be working if you’re 4.5 years in!

Are you thinking you now want more? And if so, what does that ‘more’ look like to you?

Can I ask… you’ve obviously had a tough few years, has he been supportive? Caring? Considerate?

And also, have you both not slept with anyone else but each other in 4.5years, or another significant amount of time?

I've only slept with him, although not for want of trying. I tried to find others, and told him I was doing so, but the couple I found who I liked the look of ruined it by getting too sexual too soon. Then my dad was diagnosed, and so I haven't tried since then. He was ill for two years and then we had the stress of the estate and house, and I'm still recovering from all that.

He has been supportive, yes. With both of my parents' terminal cancer illnesses, some friends ran an absolute mile, but not him.

I don't believe he hasn't slept with other people. I was often away caring for my dad, and I reckon he's a sex maniac. Which is why he's so good at it.

I don't want more, it's just that my feelings have come to the surface and surprised me. I could date others, but I'm now at that wretched stage where I'd probably just compare them all to him. Arghhhhhhhhh!

OP posts:
NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:38

BobbysDazzler · Today 21:26

Sooooo relieved you aren't sending that crap song! 😂

Cheaters very rarely change their spots. They have every intention of being true, that much I believe, but it rarely holds.

My ex was a drummer in a band and I was the other woman. He divorced and it was only me for a while, then I found out about others including one he'd been seeing for 11years, longer then his marriage!! He did 'pause' her but the lure of forbidden was too much for him. He'd also been bareback playing with them all, I RAN to clinic virtually!!

You'll make your own decisions but be wary if you go for it and always trust your gut.

Why's it crap though??? No one's been able to tell me!

This thread is so British! OP wants to send a man a weepy song and everyone's like "Fuck me, that's a pile of shit!" 🤣

This guy is a drummer in a band, too!!! Musicians...wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. Sorry that that happened to you.

OP posts:
BobbysDazzler · Today 21:41

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:38

Why's it crap though??? No one's been able to tell me!

This thread is so British! OP wants to send a man a weepy song and everyone's like "Fuck me, that's a pile of shit!" 🤣

This guy is a drummer in a band, too!!! Musicians...wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. Sorry that that happened to you.

As long as you don't say he's called Phil..... 😂😂😂

And it's just pure cheese!

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:43

BobbysDazzler · Today 21:41

As long as you don't say he's called Phil..... 😂😂😂

And it's just pure cheese!

Not Phil! 🤣

"And it's just pure cheese!" You say that like it's a bad thing!!!

OP posts:
BobbysDazzler · Today 21:45

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:43

Not Phil! 🤣

"And it's just pure cheese!" You say that like it's a bad thing!!!

Phew!!! I dread to think where that sleaze is these days lol

And cheese is only good melted on stuff 😂

TellHerToFuckOff · Today 21:46

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:34

I've only slept with him, although not for want of trying. I tried to find others, and told him I was doing so, but the couple I found who I liked the look of ruined it by getting too sexual too soon. Then my dad was diagnosed, and so I haven't tried since then. He was ill for two years and then we had the stress of the estate and house, and I'm still recovering from all that.

He has been supportive, yes. With both of my parents' terminal cancer illnesses, some friends ran an absolute mile, but not him.

I don't believe he hasn't slept with other people. I was often away caring for my dad, and I reckon he's a sex maniac. Which is why he's so good at it.

I don't want more, it's just that my feelings have come to the surface and surprised me. I could date others, but I'm now at that wretched stage where I'd probably just compare them all to him. Arghhhhhhhhh!

Edited

Right, the sex maniac bit is obviously a slight concern! 😂 How serious is this fear?

But, you say you ‘reckon’, you don’t actually know. I think once the dust settles, particularly with his bereavement which is still raw, this definitely deserves a further conversation don’t you think? Can you talk to him openly, tell him you think you might be catching feelings and you need to 1) know where you stand right now (is he sleeping with others, how does he view you etc) and 2) what does ‘more’ look like to you both. he’s obviously thought about it if he’s telling you he loves you. Has he said he wants more?

Think about things very seriously yourself before talking to him. What does ‘more’ look like for you ideally? Is it monogamy? Is it going to ‘couples’ events together I.e. with friends, family, work etc.? Is it maybe looking at living together in the future? (Sounds like you’d be allergic?) whatever it is.

Really take the time to figure out what outcome you want here in an ideal world - do you know?

BoarBrush · Today 21:51

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:38

Why's it crap though??? No one's been able to tell me!

This thread is so British! OP wants to send a man a weepy song and everyone's like "Fuck me, that's a pile of shit!" 🤣

This guy is a drummer in a band, too!!! Musicians...wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. Sorry that that happened to you.

Ah fuck it, send the shite song. And throw caution to the wind. You can't keep folk at arms length forever, get stuck in.

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:53

BoarBrush · Today 21:51

Ah fuck it, send the shite song. And throw caution to the wind. You can't keep folk at arms length forever, get stuck in.

I can't send the "shite song" now that everyone's said how terrible it is and that I'll cringe about it to my dying day!

Oooh, maybe it'll put him off though, and then problem solved!

OP posts:
CinnamonJellyBeans · Today 21:57

Keep things as they are. It suits you both, right now. It sounds ideal.

Don't send him the song, he's vulnerable due to bereavement and that's not fair.

You shouldn't assume, he's a cheater, just because he's done it before (or faithful, if he had never cheated). If you do decide you want to become a couple, don't deprive yourself of this chance, just because another man behaved badly to you.

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:58

TellHerToFuckOff · Today 21:46

Right, the sex maniac bit is obviously a slight concern! 😂 How serious is this fear?

But, you say you ‘reckon’, you don’t actually know. I think once the dust settles, particularly with his bereavement which is still raw, this definitely deserves a further conversation don’t you think? Can you talk to him openly, tell him you think you might be catching feelings and you need to 1) know where you stand right now (is he sleeping with others, how does he view you etc) and 2) what does ‘more’ look like to you both. he’s obviously thought about it if he’s telling you he loves you. Has he said he wants more?

Think about things very seriously yourself before talking to him. What does ‘more’ look like for you ideally? Is it monogamy? Is it going to ‘couples’ events together I.e. with friends, family, work etc.? Is it maybe looking at living together in the future? (Sounds like you’d be allergic?) whatever it is.

Really take the time to figure out what outcome you want here in an ideal world - do you know?

Re. sex maniac, he's massively into kink but says he can live without it. I actually challenged him once and he wouldn't do stuff to me that he's done in other relationships. I think I'm in the good-girl box. I'm just relieved he doesn't own a cattle prod, honestly.

The idea of getting involved with his truly massive Catholic family is enough to bring me out in hives. I've had a skinful of families. Mine were very stressful and my in-laws weren't much better. Family - the other F word.

I don't think I want to talk to him. I want these feelings to go away.

No to living together. I'd rather nail my clitoris to the ceiling.

OP posts:
NameChangeMay2026 · Today 22:04

CinnamonJellyBeans · Today 21:57

Keep things as they are. It suits you both, right now. It sounds ideal.

Don't send him the song, he's vulnerable due to bereavement and that's not fair.

You shouldn't assume, he's a cheater, just because he's done it before (or faithful, if he had never cheated). If you do decide you want to become a couple, don't deprive yourself of this chance, just because another man behaved badly to you.

No, that's a good point. I won't send it.

I'm not going to risk being hurt. Maybe he wouldn't cheat on me if we got serious, but I'm not going to find out.

I guess we'll just carry on as we were, with the added discomfort for me that I no longer feel as independent of him as I did.

OP posts:
TellHerToFuckOff · Today 22:05

NameChangeMay2026 · Today 21:58

Re. sex maniac, he's massively into kink but says he can live without it. I actually challenged him once and he wouldn't do stuff to me that he's done in other relationships. I think I'm in the good-girl box. I'm just relieved he doesn't own a cattle prod, honestly.

The idea of getting involved with his truly massive Catholic family is enough to bring me out in hives. I've had a skinful of families. Mine were very stressful and my in-laws weren't much better. Family - the other F word.

I don't think I want to talk to him. I want these feelings to go away.

No to living together. I'd rather nail my clitoris to the ceiling.

Edited

Giiirl, I’ve had a few of these, one in particular sticks out vividly! The sex was outlandish.

You challenged him because you wanted him to do something sexual with you and he wouldn’t? Or he tried something you didn’t like?

If you don’t want to talk to him about it then don’t! Carry on as you are, it seems to be working. But also, don’t close yourself off too much because of fear, or cynicism, or whatever else it might be. And honestly, that’s coming from a very cynical person!

And who know, his massive Catholic family might be amazing, and give you a positive experience of family.

Have you had therapy OP? I know it’s been a rough few years.