Almost 80 MPs have called for Starmer to Resign. Streeting making his move before Burnham has a chance to get in. Leadership election between Starmer, Streeting & Rayner, & a few MPs looking to make a name. Official Tue 12th?

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Link to spreadsheet of Labour MPS calling for resignation - https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2053925699824574889

Streeting has to make his move now, Starmer will never be this weak and he has the chance to go now.

Burnham might be more likely to win, but he is not in, and where exactly is a safe seat by election they could parachute him in for? (nowhere)

So - Streeting will never have a better chance of being PM, he pulls the trigger NOW or he never pulls it at all.

I did say on Thursday that I thought it would be Friday or Monday.... Tuesday is a pretty good guess.

This is a quiet Bat People moment... That Speech... not worth remembering...

the UK is very, very poor compared to it's peers.

Look at the video for some stats it's only 7 minute long. Give it a whirl and come back

And Labour have done nothing of the sort, they spend just as much on PR as anyone else. More. They did have Malcom Tucker after all....

@SingleSexSpacesInSchools how very dare you ! They have been busy hosting drinks parties for business leaders to tell them Britain is open for business...a little like the thernanders in Les misesbles...

No. No election. It’s the one advantage the UK Government has. The election is far away. That’s why you can have these lunatic leadership games.

I still think these people are idiots btw but they will be doing it on a “two years of Wes bedding in” basis or similar generosity

I reckon they’ll install someone like Yvbotte Cooper for now. Replacing one android with another.

Neither of those things would or could trigger a general election. The only thing that would trigger it is a majority vote in commons to pass it. Given labour have a big majority, why would their MPs vote for an early election?

Just because you don't know your political history does not mean this does not happen

It does

all the time

• 1923: Stanley Baldwin
• Baldwin had only recently become Prime Minister after Bonar Law resigned.
• He inherited a Conservative majority, but had not personally led the party at a general election.
• He called an early election to seek a mandate for tariff reform/protectionism, a major policy shift.
• Result: he lost his majority.
• 1931: Ramsay MacDonald
• MacDonald had been Labour Prime Minister, but the Labour government split during the financial crisis.
• He then formed a National Government with Conservatives and Liberals.
• This was effectively a new government with a new political basis, so an election was called to seek public approval.
• Result: the National Government won a landslide.
• 1951: Clement Attlee
• Labour had won the 1950 election, but with a tiny majority.
• Attlee’s government was struggling to function properly in Parliament.
• He called another election to try to win a clearer working mandate.
• Result: Labour won more votes, but the Conservatives won more seats and Churchill returned.
• 1966: Harold Wilson
• Wilson had become Prime Minister after Labour narrowly won in 1964 with a majority of only 4.
• He called an early election to get a stronger mandate and make governing easier.
• Result: Labour won a much larger majority.
• October 1974: Harold Wilson
• The February 1974 election had produced a hung parliament.
• Wilson formed a minority Labour government.
• He called another election eight months later because he lacked a proper parliamentary mandate.
• Result: Labour won a small majority.
• 2017: Theresa May
• May became Prime Minister after David Cameron resigned following the Brexit referendum.
• She had not personally led the Conservatives at a general election.
• She called an early election saying she needed a stronger mandate for Brexit negotiations.
• Result: she lost her majority and had to rely on the DUP.
• 2019: Boris Johnson
• Johnson became Prime Minister after Theresa May resigned.
• He had not personally led the Conservatives at a general election.
• His government had no reliable majority and Parliament was deadlocked over Brexit.
• He pushed for an election to get a mandate to “get Brexit done.”
• Result: he won a large majority.

The neat summary is: new Prime Ministers who inherit power often claim they need their own mandate, especially when facing a major policy question or a weak Parliament. The clearest modern examples are Theresa May in 2017 and Boris Johnson in 2019.

A hundred reasons!!!

@OneTealShaker that will shake up good morning Britian itv with ed balls!

Well those Labour MPs are playing straight into NFs hands. The Reform leaflet that came through my door said "vote Reform, get Starmer put." Now the PLP are making it happen.

The last thing we need is more revolving door at number 10. If they get rid of Starmer then the next thing will be demands for a GE. Then in comes Farage and out go women's rights.

Yes that’s right, instead of tightening PIP criteria as planned Starmer had to back down and the only thing happening now in that regard is the Timms review into PIP (needs to hurry up or Labour won’t be in power)

The Demmands for a GE have not calmed down by Starmer not leaving. He is going tomorrow ....

No. There is a massive majority. My literal money is on an election with about four and half years as a term.

More likely; possible increased borrowing costs, government becomes more incapable? Paralysis but no election. These MPs like their jobs. Right now they do not want a leader who will give them an election. They want one who gets them a job at the next one

I don’t think it is quite right to reduce MPs to “they just want to keep their jobs”. Of course self-preservation exists, but most MPs also care very deeply about legitimacy, mandate and whether they can honestly look voters in the eye and say “this government still has public consent”. A massive Commons majority gives a government legal authority to govern, but it does not automatically give it continuing political authority, especially after a change of Prime Minister, catastrophic local results, collapsing public trust or a major policy reversal.

We have seen this before. Baldwin in 1923 sought a mandate after taking over as PM and changing policy direction. Wilson in 1966 sought a bigger mandate after governing with a tiny majority. Wilson again in October 1974 sought a mandate after forming a minority government. May in 2017 and Johnson in 2019 both argued that a new or weakened PM needed a public mandate, even though there was no automatic legal requirement for an election.

And mandate matters beyond Westminster gossip. A government seen as clinging on after losing public consent becomes harder to govern under. MPs get shouted at in their constituencies, public compliance drops, protests grow, markets worry, unions harden, councils resist, and the whole state starts to feel brittle. That does not mean a general election is inevitable tomorrow, but legitimacy is not a decorative extra in politics. It is part of how a government keeps authority without everything becoming coercion, paralysis or unrest.

So yes, some MPs will be thinking about their seats. But many will also be thinking: can we credibly govern the country for four more years if the public has visibly withdrawn consent?

I am sorry but this is not credible. Politicians that we are discussing are anything but. The apparent reasons for getting rid of Starmer include his electoral failures as outlined in these letters.

No election. Keep the job. Throw the bloke overboard and pull in the next. Election when the figures are looking good.

Except this parliamentary Labour Party is full of people who could only be described as thick as mince. Most don’t even know how the markets work. When you hear some of them speak, it’s like the lights are on but no one’s home.

Mumsnet has turned into GB news this evening! Look at the clowns around Farage- Lee Anderson, Nadine Dorres etc. Heaven help us if that lot get in charge. Farage the school racist.

he is going to be thrown under the bus at tomorrow mornings cabinet meeting. we all know it

It seems the cabinet is being filled with a load of the worst TRAs.

going to have to try harder given Starmer appointed a nonce chum to be ambassador to the USA.

And paedophile apologists if the things said about Harriete Harman are true

The 2010s called. They want you back.

Maybe you hadn’t noticed, but the world has moved on. Calling everyone you don’t agree with, racist is old news. Because there are 8 million reform voters.

They are not thinking about markets! They are not thinking about government borrowing or fiscal responsibility. If they were, they might be less keen to defenestrate the current incumbent. They are thinking of their vote, mostly, which is revealed in the proximity of their panic.

It does them little credit perhaps but politics is a venal business.

Yeah. He has so much respect for women. That would be grand, eh?

As much as David Lammy who said men can grow a cervix?

Maybe you hadn’t noticed, but the world has moved on. Calling everyone you don’t agree with, racist is old news. Because there are 8 million reform voters.

I said Farage was a school racist. A lot of people have come forward to say this.